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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2023 16:24:45 GMT
I only have minimal information to work with. I'm just saying what looks most likely. Most of the population are in some kind of employment and the house looks dirt cheap, so chances are they do some low-paid work. You pulled out more assumptions than that . You have constructed scenario and lifestyle out of nothing . Yes but if you were a policeman and you met a scenario on your beat, you would have to think on your feet. What I was doing was a mirror of what the police did. I watched the video like they did and I constructed a view on what was most likely and so did they. I concluded that the probably reason this happened was because the kid was pretty ignorant and may well not have been aware of what he might have done, which in this case was end up in the back of a parked car and cause thousands of pounds of damage which would eventually result in him being billed for it and then some.
So if i were in their shoes, as I explained in the YT deleted comment, I would have got out of that van, rang on the bell and spoken to the mother. I would politely say, good afternoon madam, very sorry to disturb you but we have had a problem with your son. Then I would calmly explain what he was doing and wait to see what she said. If she responded in a shocked and genuinely apologetic way I would seek to help her understand the laws and what they say, I would try and suggest some ideas on how to persuade him out of the idea, like saying there are some council woods up the road and they have a scrambling track for motorbikes and you can take your bike up there and do it safely.
The thing is of course that despite paying all her taxes she would not see anything like what I describe, but this is of course another facet of the problem. The kid does not have alternatives. Indeed in my own town we had the same trouble with kids using skateboards on the public roads. The council collaborated with the kids to build a skateboard park and it is still there. It may provide kids with fun for hundreds of years. We do not have anti-social kids in our town.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 16:32:50 GMT
You pulled out more assumptions than that . You have constructed scenario and lifestyle out of nothing . Yes but if you were a policeman and you met a scenario on your beat, you would have to think on your feet. What I was doing was a mirror of what the police did. I watched the video like they did and I constructed a view on what was most likely and so did they. I concluded that the probably reason this happened was because the kid was pretty ignorant and may well not have been aware of what he might have done, which in this case was end up in the back of a parked car and cause thousands of pounds of damage which would eventually result in him being billed for it and then some.
So if i were in their shoes, as I explained in the YT deleted comment, I would have got out of that van, rang on the bell and spoken to the mother. I would politely say, good afternoon madam, very sorry to disturb you but we have had a problem with your son. Then I would calmly explain what he was doing and wait to see what she said. If she responded in a shocked and genuinely apologetic way I would seek to help her understand the laws and what they say, I would try and suggest some ideas on how to persuade him out of the idea, like saying there are some council woods up the road and they have a scrambling track for motorbikes and you can take your bike up there and do it safely.
The thing is of course that despite paying all her taxes she would not see anything like what I describe, but this is of course another facet of the problem. The kid does not have alternatives. Indeed in my own town we had the same trouble with kids using skateboards on the public roads. The council collaborated with the kids to build a skateboard park and it is still there. It may provide kids with fun for hundreds of years. We do not have anti-social kids in our town.
Another alternative reality . In the real world there is no convenient answer and the mother would be telling you to fuck off while the kids are videoing it on their phones and posting it on Facebook . I suggest a naivectomy. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2023 16:50:23 GMT
Yes but if you were a policeman and you met a scenario on your beat, you would have to think on your feet. What I was doing was a mirror of what the police did. I watched the video like they did and I constructed a view on what was most likely and so did they. I concluded that the probably reason this happened was because the kid was pretty ignorant and may well not have been aware of what he might have done, which in this case was end up in the back of a parked car and cause thousands of pounds of damage which would eventually result in him being billed for it and then some.
So if i were in their shoes, as I explained in the YT deleted comment, I would have got out of that van, rang on the bell and spoken to the mother. I would politely say, good afternoon madam, very sorry to disturb you but we have had a problem with your son. Then I would calmly explain what he was doing and wait to see what she said. If she responded in a shocked and genuinely apologetic way I would seek to help her understand the laws and what they say, I would try and suggest some ideas on how to persuade him out of the idea, like saying there are some council woods up the road and they have a scrambling track for motorbikes and you can take your bike up there and do it safely.
The thing is of course that despite paying all her taxes she would not see anything like what I describe, but this is of course another facet of the problem. The kid does not have alternatives. Indeed in my own town we had the same trouble with kids using skateboards on the public roads. The council collaborated with the kids to build a skateboard park and it is still there. It may provide kids with fun for hundreds of years. We do not have anti-social kids in our town.
Another alternative reality . In the real world there is no convenient answer and the mother would be telling you to fuck off while the kids are videoing it on their phones and posting it on Facebook . I suggest a naivectomy. Yes well there was always going to be the possibility of that, but if my manners and reasonableness were impeccable and I was prepared to do her a favour by letting him off with an official warning then I would have learnt exactly how unreasonable she was and conclude this would not fix the problem, and so the next stop would be to come back later when the kid is at home and pull him in for an official interview. You see it is always worth trying the diplomatic approach first and I believe in giving everyone the chance to put things right. After all, if it had worked the job would have been five minutes of work, giving me time to go and track down the real criminals on the books. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 15, 2023 16:52:34 GMT
Put myself in his place? I was born and brought up on a council estate we made our own play and weren’t smartarsed with police and you think his misuse on a public road of a motor vehicle was play,and if he killed or injured someone? What a great way to play. Well if you saw what my friends and I used to do you would probably freak. In all those years though regarding accidents, we had some, but although some falls were rather painful, no one ever did have a serious accident. We were tough and agile kids you see. We could estimate danger well, and developed responsibility. Looking at what he was doing in terms of how I would see it at his sort of age was in my view mild. Just to give you some idea, a close friend of mine built a racing cart with a professional Villiers racing engine in it. It could do 0-60 in a ridiculously short time and the acceleration pinned you back in the seat. Crazy machine, but we managed to deal with danger. Indeed this is why I feel sorry for this kid, because if he were around when I was his age and he was with us kids he would have loved it and turned out OK. It's just horrible the hatred these adults have in the video above. Them and their excuses eh? Kids really don't give a shit about their paperwork. They will learn to hate it and then you have the classic us and them situation. It will end in failure.
By the way, I would have formed a rather different view if he were doing this on a fast and busy road. He was not. He had figured out a way to do it so he would not get run over. He noticed the cars were not moving cos they were parked! His mistake was to not imagine the police spend all day watching Tiktok as opposed to working - lol. i think you need to look agsin. He and his mates come out from a PAVEMENT across a zebra crossing and ride off wheelieing into the distance. Exactly what those County Lines wankers did up by my daughters. If this twat rode like that on her road it would be a race between me and my daughter’s neighbours to see who put him straight. And he’d better pray to whichever piece of shit he holds sacred i get there first. Because i’m only going to kick his head in and stamp on his nuts before chainsawing the bike and throwing him AND it into the river at high tide Sarah’s neighbours are half my age and the parents of the seven and eight year olds one of those county lines pricks damn near killed. If they get him before i do they’ll put him in that river bound and gagged to let the tide do the job that needs to be done. ’Kids’ his age have the fucking VOTE round here thanks to Labour snd are are utter fucking scum and deserve what’s coming |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 16:53:44 GMT
Another alternative reality . In the real world there is no convenient answer and the mother would be telling you to fuck off while the kids are videoing it on their phones and posting it on Facebook . I suggest a naivectomy. Yes well there was always going to be the possibility of that, but if my manners and reasonableness were impeccable and I was prepared to do her a favour by letting him off with an official warning then I would have learnt exactly how unreasonable she was and conclude this would not fix the problem, and so the next stop would be to come back later when the kid is at home and pull him in for an official interview. You see it is always worth trying the diplomatic approach first and I believe in giving everyone the chance to put things right. After all, if it had worked the job would have been five minutes of work, giving me time to go and track down the real criminals on the books. You are living in a dream world . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2023 17:03:28 GMT
Well if you saw what my friends and I used to do you would probably freak. In all those years though regarding accidents, we had some, but although some falls were rather painful, no one ever did have a serious accident. We were tough and agile kids you see. We could estimate danger well, and developed responsibility. Looking at what he was doing in terms of how I would see it at his sort of age was in my view mild. Just to give you some idea, a close friend of mine built a racing cart with a professional Villiers racing engine in it. It could do 0-60 in a ridiculously short time and the acceleration pinned you back in the seat. Crazy machine, but we managed to deal with danger. Indeed this is why I feel sorry for this kid, because if he were around when I was his age and he was with us kids he would have loved it and turned out OK. It's just horrible the hatred these adults have in the video above. Them and their excuses eh? Kids really don't give a shit about their paperwork. They will learn to hate it and then you have the classic us and them situation. It will end in failure.
By the way, I would have formed a rather different view if he were doing this on a fast and busy road. He was not. He had figured out a way to do it so he would not get run over. He noticed the cars were not moving cos they were parked! His mistake was to not imagine the police spend all day watching Tiktok as opposed to working - lol. i think you need to look agsin. He and his mates come out from a PAVEMENT across a zebra crossing and ride off wheelieing into the distance. Exactly what those County Lines wankers did up by my daughters. If this twat rode like that on her road it would be a race between me and my daughter’s neighbours to see who put him straight. And he’d better pray to whichever piece of shit he holds sacred i get there first. Because i’m only going to kick his head in and stamp on his nuts before chainsawing the bike and throwing him AND it into the river at high tide Sarah’s neighbours are half my age and the parents of the seven and eight year olds one of those county lines pricks damn near killed. If they get him before i do they’ll put him in that river bound and gagged to let the tide do the job that needs to be done. ’Kids’ his age have the fucking VOTE round here thanks to Labour snd are are utter fucking scum and deserve what’s coming Well it is a possibility I suppose, but nothing in that video suggested that was what he was. You don't want to go too far with your assumptions. The thing is in trying to engage in reasonable dialogue, as a policeman you will pick up loads more intuition the better you get to know him. Information is power as they say, but being the force of far more power anyway, you do not want to abuse it and bully the poor kid if he is indeed innocent, as per he never meant any harm. Law is all about intension. We also have habeas corpus, which might be a novel thing in neolithic Wales, but hey, times move on. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 17:05:57 GMT
i think you need to look agsin. He and his mates come out from a PAVEMENT across a zebra crossing and ride off wheelieing into the distance. Exactly what those County Lines wankers did up by my daughters. If this twat rode like that on her road it would be a race between me and my daughter’s neighbours to see who put him straight. And he’d better pray to whichever piece of shit he holds sacred i get there first. Because i’m only going to kick his head in and stamp on his nuts before chainsawing the bike and throwing him AND it into the river at high tide Sarah’s neighbours are half my age and the parents of the seven and eight year olds one of those county lines pricks damn near killed. If they get him before i do they’ll put him in that river bound and gagged to let the tide do the job that needs to be done. ’Kids’ his age have the fucking VOTE round here thanks to Labour snd are are utter fucking scum and deserve what’s coming Well it is a possibility I suppose, but nothing in that video suggested that was what he was. You don't want to go too far with your assumptions. The thing is in trying to engage in reasonable dialogue, as a policeman you will pick up loads more intuition the better you get to know him. Information is power as they say, but being the force of far more power anyway, you do not want to abuse it and bully the poor kid if he is indeed innocent, as per he never meant any harm. Law is all about intension. We also have habeas corpus, which might be a novel thing in neolithic Wales, but hey, times move on. I suggest that you never become a special. The local kids will alive . If they don’t their parents will. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2023 17:22:20 GMT
Well it is a possibility I suppose, but nothing in that video suggested that was what he was. You don't want to go too far with your assumptions. The thing is in trying to engage in reasonable dialogue, as a policeman you will pick up loads more intuition the better you get to know him. Information is power as they say, but being the force of far more power anyway, you do not want to abuse it and bully the poor kid if he is indeed innocent, as per he never meant any harm. Law is all about intension. We also have habeas corpus, which might be a novel thing in neolithic Wales, but hey, times move on. I suggest that you never become a special. The local kids will alive . If they don’t their parents will. There is no way one constable can fix this problem. It is the crazy way the whole system thinks now. However where I live the police do practice the approach I'm suggesting here. The police in our area are probably not living in the same century as everyone else. You see the police are kind of connected to the church and the local cathedral and all, which has been around since 1370. The local cathedral is full of super high class folk, like the kind who would have a chandelier in their office. These are the bigwigs who run the local area, and they do it very traditionally, long before the age of bureaucracy and paperwork. A friend was talking to a special constable the other day and she said to him "our system of policing is unique". How it works is mysterious, but the figures show that we are one of the lowest crime areas. Now I have also lived in a place which at one time held the record for the most burglaries in the country. That was in Manchester a few miles from Moss Side, an area predominantly African. Go figure as they say. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 17:25:59 GMT
I suggest that you never become a special. The local kids will alive . If they don’t their parents will. There is no way one constable can fix this problem. It is the crazy way the whole system thinks now. However where I live the police do practice the approach I'm suggesting here. The police in our area are probably not living in the same century as everyone else. You see the police are kind of connected to the church and the local cathedral and all, which has been around since 1370. The local cathedral is full of super high class folk, like the kind who would have a chandelier in their office. These are the bigwigs who run the local area, and they do it very traditionally, long before the age of bureaucracy and paperwork. A friend was talking to a special constable the other day and she said to him "our system of policing is unique". How it works is mysterious, but the figures show that we are one of the lowest crime areas. Now I have also lived in a place which at one time held the record for the most burglaries in the country. That was in Manchester a few miles from Moss Side, an area predominantly African. Go figure as they I can’t comment on your unique policing but I do agree that there should be local beat coppers . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 15, 2023 17:38:18 GMT
There is no way one constable can fix this problem. It is the crazy way the whole system thinks now. However where I live the police do practice the approach I'm suggesting here. The police in our area are probably not living in the same century as everyone else. You see the police are kind of connected to the church and the local cathedral and all, which has been around since 1370. The local cathedral is full of super high class folk, like the kind who would have a chandelier in their office. These are the bigwigs who run the local area, and they do it very traditionally, long before the age of bureaucracy and paperwork. A friend was talking to a special constable the other day and she said to him "our system of policing is unique". How it works is mysterious, but the figures show that we are one of the lowest crime areas. Now I have also lived in a place which at one time held the record for the most burglaries in the country. That was in Manchester a few miles from Moss Side, an area predominantly African. Go figure as they I can’t comment on your unique policing but I do agree that there should be local beat coppers . Yes but it is important these police on the beat are not just there to bust all and sundry for every slightest thing. The police in this town tend to be easy going so they don't feel threatening. When my neighbour reported his bike was stolen he was surprised to hear a call from the police a few weeks later telling him they had recovered it with some other stolen property they had when busting a thief. Now that does not happen very often in the wider country, so we tend to feel they are on our side. Also a good friend of mine is a relative of one of the police and I find the family very decent. They have genuine class and are kind people. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 17:49:35 GMT
I can’t comment on your unique policing but I do agree that there should be local beat coppers . Yes but it is important these police on the beat are not just there to bust all and sundry for every slightest thing. The police in this town tend to be easy going so they don't feel threatening. When my neighbour reported his bike was stolen he was surprised to hear a call from the police a few weeks later telling him they had recovered it with some other stolen property they had when busting a thief. Now that does not happen very often in the wider country, so we tend to feel they are on our side. Also a good friend of mine is a relative of one of the police and I find the family very decent. They have genuine class and are kind people. Yes the hypothetical local Bobby should be a conduit between the public and the police . I agree with you there . |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 15, 2023 19:23:03 GMT
i think you need to look agsin. He and his mates come out from a PAVEMENT across a zebra crossing and ride off wheelieing into the distance. Exactly what those County Lines wankers did up by my daughters. If this twat rode like that on her road it would be a race between me and my daughter’s neighbours to see who put him straight. And he’d better pray to whichever piece of shit he holds sacred i get there first. Because i’m only going to kick his head in and stamp on his nuts before chainsawing the bike and throwing him AND it into the river at high tide Sarah’s neighbours are half my age and the parents of the seven and eight year olds one of those county lines pricks damn near killed. If they get him before i do they’ll put him in that river bound and gagged to let the tide do the job that needs to be done. ’Kids’ his age have the fucking VOTE round here thanks to Labour snd are are utter fucking scum and deserve what’s coming Well it is a possibility I suppose, but nothing in that video suggested that was what he was. You don't want to go too far with your assumptions. The thing is in trying to engage in reasonable dialogue, as a policeman you will pick up loads more intuition the better you get to know him. Information is power as they say, but being the force of far more power anyway, you do not want to abuse it and bully the poor kid if he is indeed innocent, as per he never meant any harm. Law is all about intension. We also have habeas corpus, which might be a novel thing in neolithic Wales, but hey, times move on. are you blind, or in denial ? He acted exactly like those county lines drug couriers. Riding without a helmet, on pavements, on one wheel Maybe you misunderstand me; i’m not saying he IS one of those; i say the evidence in front of my eyes shows a rabid yob behaving like them. Whether he is doing it to ape them or because he wants to be one or because he is one is not what i was getting at He’s behaving like them, their antics round here are reckless and endanger life; he’s doing the same and deserves the same. Best he gets what plod hand him. He would not like whet he would get from the residents round here one bit. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 15, 2023 19:42:30 GMT
Where I used to live we had quite a few ‘ mopeds’ flying around with idiots without helmets riding on the paths .
One of these idiots was a drug dealer. A scrote about 16/17 from a scrotey family.
One day the scrote ( with a scote on pillion ) was riding on a path so fast that he didn’t see a car reversing out of their drive.
The rider died on the spot and the pillion was crippled for life .
Turns out the drug dealer was quite a popular boy . Flowers and shit was hung as a memorial to the scrote and scores of his ‘ friends ‘ gathered together at his funeral. The friends decided it would be a fitting memorial to harrass, vandalise and generally frighten the folks in the shopping centre .
And the mother blamed the driver that had no chance of seeing him. She killed herself a while after .
No sweet taking copper or numbers of coppers would have prevented that. A punch in the head ( or three)might have .
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Dec 16, 2023 0:11:39 GMT
When I lived in Bristol in the 70s they had a novel way of dealing with teenage tearaways. A police sergeant would visit the family and suggest to the father that his son might like to train to be a policeman.
I understand that nowadays police need to be of a higher educational standard so this no longer works. Police now need to understand all the complex woke jargon, etc.
In the 60s I worked in a police training college ... at a large country house in Buckinghamshire ... as a groundsman. The trainers were brilliant actors who knew every trick criminals get up to.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 16, 2023 0:58:05 GMT
When I lived in Bristol in the 70s they had a novel way of dealing with teenage tearaways. A police sergeant would visit the family and suggest to the father that his son might like to train to be a policeman. I understand that nowadays police need to be of a higher educational standard so this no longer works. Police now need to understand all the complex woke jargon, etc. In the 60s I worked in a police training college ... at a large country house in Buckinghamshire ... as a groundsman. The trainers were brilliant actors who knew every trick criminals get up to. Senior, I'm loathe to disagree with you, but I'm afraid I must. Police today do not require higher educational standards than back in the 1970's. Quite the reverse. Today thanks to diversity quotas ethnicity is far more important than ability. My son, a bright white boy, applied to join the police and was told that all places for white entrants had been taken, he was invited to re-apply in two years. What we are seeing today is racism against white people but that's OK because today racism is only racism if its against black people. I have a famous quote for you... ..." I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the content of their character". The problem is, today young entitled and pampered people who have never had to fight for anything, are taught a very one sided view of history by a very left wing education system. |
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