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Post by patman post on Dec 6, 2023 16:34:30 GMT
Wasn't it the officers lying about smelling cannabis that got them sacked? It's almost become today's equivalent of suspects falling down Police Station steps when profiling and stopping drivers... No what got them sacked was the couple insisting they were stopped because they are black and the Met deciding the course of less resistance was to sack the coppers rather than an ongoing inquiry into the incident . Given that the car failed to stop when indicated to do so would give good reason to suspect that they were hiding something so a search would be warranted . As far as smelling drugs goes who knows but if you stand still for five minutes anywhere in London you will get a whiff of it . It maybe is profiling in some respect ,black people are known to like a smoke ,I get asked if I have been drinking as white men are known to like a drink ,I really don't see what the problem was with that suggestion 29 points on your driving license and the racial slurs cast against the policemen gives an overall picture that fits with the black community . That many of them seem to think they can do what they like and get away with it because they are black . She actually thought because she has a chance (a very limited chance) of being the reserve sprinter in the relay at the Olympics she would be given a free pass . I'm glad the judge thought otherwise IOPC Statement: 25 Oct 2023
Two Metropolitan Police Service officers have been dismissed today following a misconduct hearing over the stop and search in Maida Vale, west London, of athletes Bianca Williams and Ricardo Dos Santos....
[IOPC director Steve Noonan said:......] “But only a police misconduct panel, led by an independently and legally qualified chair, could decide whether or not the case was proven. That panel has now decided that officers PC Jonathan Clapham and PC Sam Franks be dismissed without notice for breaching the police standard of professional behaviour relating to honesty and integrity for claiming they could smell cannabis on Ricardo.
Life for rogue Met officers appears to be getting more difficult — and about time too...
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Post by Dogburger on Dec 6, 2023 18:18:50 GMT
No what got them sacked was the couple insisting they were stopped because they are black and the Met deciding the course of less resistance was to sack the coppers rather than an ongoing inquiry into the incident . Given that the car failed to stop when indicated to do so would give good reason to suspect that they were hiding something so a search would be warranted . As far as smelling drugs goes who knows but if you stand still for five minutes anywhere in London you will get a whiff of it . It maybe is profiling in some respect ,black people are known to like a smoke ,I get asked if I have been drinking as white men are known to like a drink ,I really don't see what the problem was with that suggestion 29 points on your driving license and the racial slurs cast against the policemen gives an overall picture that fits with the black community . That many of them seem to think they can do what they like and get away with it because they are black . She actually thought because she has a chance (a very limited chance) of being the reserve sprinter in the relay at the Olympics she would be given a free pass . I'm glad the judge thought otherwise IOPC Statement: 25 Oct 2023
Two Metropolitan Police Service officers have been dismissed today following a misconduct hearing over the stop and search in Maida Vale, west London, of athletes Bianca Williams and Ricardo Dos Santos....
[IOPC director Steve Noonan said:......] “But only a police misconduct panel, led by an independently and legally qualified chair, could decide whether or not the case was proven. That panel has now decided that officers PC Jonathan Clapham and PC Sam Franks be dismissed without notice for breaching the police standard of professional behaviour relating to honesty and integrity for claiming they could smell cannabis on Ricardo.
Life for rogue Met officers appears to be getting more difficult — and about time too...
It wouldn't be the first time a misconduct panel got it wrong and didn't actually have anything to do with the stop and search which the police had every right to do as the Williams/Dos Santos win double drove away from and tried avoiding a blue light . |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 6, 2023 22:12:00 GMT
Oh Red, your hatred oozes out of you. I understand there is an exceptional hardship defence available to all who may otherwise be at risk of losing their license. I understand her argument was that not having private transport would make it very difficult for her to drop off her child, travel to training, travel to collect her child and travel to her evening job and that that might compromise her chances of earning a medal at the next olympics. The magistrate, presumably with access to knowledge of the location of her home and these places and public transport links between them judged that her situation did not meet the standard to grant exceptional hardship. We must trust the panels judgement. While I understand the reasons for your antipathy towards this lady - she does have black skin after all - there is no case whatsoever to reconsider the disciplinary findings of the policemen concerned in the earlier entirely unconnected incident. I also understand the exceptional hardship defence She lives in London. Public Transport runs late into the night. She has now been severely inconvenienced I am reminded that Chris Eccleston, an actor living and working in London, chose not to bother learning to drive as public transport in London was more than adequate for his every foreseeable need If she doesn’t like the inconvenience of being a disqualified driver maybe she should have not tried to evade the penalty for her crimes. Zero sympathy. Not least because i’m not sure a convicted criminal with form for evading the law is a fit person to represent this country in a field of sporting excellence. Colour has fuck all to do with it Integrity and adherence to the rule book however…. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 22:19:30 GMT
Not sure anyone here is arguing that the exceptional hardship defence should have been applied in this case John.
Not sure we would have much of international sports
team if players were excluded for motoring offences
The hatred directed towards this lady on this forum is everything to do with the colour of her skin.
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Post by patman post on Dec 6, 2023 22:58:05 GMT
IOPC Statement: 25 Oct 2023
Two Metropolitan Police Service officers have been dismissed today following a misconduct hearing over the stop and search in Maida Vale, west London, of athletes Bianca Williams and Ricardo Dos Santos....
[IOPC director Steve Noonan said:......] “But only a police misconduct panel, led by an independently and legally qualified chair, could decide whether or not the case was proven. That panel has now decided that officers PC Jonathan Clapham and PC Sam Franks be dismissed without notice for breaching the police standard of professional behaviour relating to honesty and integrity for claiming they could smell cannabis on Ricardo.
Life for rogue Met officers appears to be getting more difficult — and about time too...
It wouldn't be the first time a misconduct panel got it wrong and didn't actually have anything to do with the stop and search which the police had every right to do as the Williams/Dos Santos win double drove away from and tried avoiding a blue light . Ms Williams appears to have been treated fairly on the other offences, but I don’t see they’ve anything to do with what happened before — unless you’re suggesting (a) she was caught this time on a Met vendetta, and (b) the IOPC lied about the reason two officers were dismissed without notice… |
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Post by Dogburger on Dec 7, 2023 9:41:58 GMT
It wouldn't be the first time a misconduct panel got it wrong and didn't actually have anything to do with the stop and search which the police had every right to do as the Williams/Dos Santos win double drove away from and tried avoiding a blue light . Ms Williams appears to have been treated fairly on the other offences, but I don’t see they’ve anything to do with what happened before — unless you’re suggesting (a) she was caught this time on a Met vendetta, and (b) the IOPC lied about the reason two officers were dismissed without notice… Being a serial offender has caught up with Ms Williams with the work of the police finally being rewarded with a conviction . A vendetta ? I hope so , I also hope the police have vendettas against all criminals that evade justice . I dont think the IOPC lied , I do think they are weak ,woke and wrong though . What they should have done was back the police officers in carrying out their duty instead of backing criminality . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2023 10:16:07 GMT
Ms Williams appears to have been treated fairly on the other offences, but I don’t see they’ve anything to do with what happened before — unless you’re suggesting (a) she was caught this time on a Met vendetta, and (b) the IOPC lied about the reason two officers were dismissed without notice… Being a serial offender has caught up with Ms Williams with the work of the police finally being rewarded with a conviction . A vendetta ? I hope so , I also hope the police have vendettas against all criminals that evade justice . I dont think the IOPC lied , I do think they are weak ,woke and wrong though . What they should have done was back the police officers in carrying out their duty instead of backing criminality . Hopefully she will drive whilst disqualified, which I expect from someone with no respect for the law, then get sent to prison. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 7, 2023 10:27:49 GMT
Not sure anyone here is arguing that the exceptional hardship defence should have been applied in this case John. Not sure we would have much of international sports team if players were excluded for motoring offences The hatred directed towards this lady on this forum is everything to do with the colour of her skin. It is not the colour of her skin that is the problem it is the use to which she puts the colour of her skin and the always the victim mentality that is helped along and encouraged by far too many on the left. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 7, 2023 10:48:17 GMT
Apart from complaining that the police treated her unacceptably because of the colour of her skin, largely borne out by the subsequent investigation, I am struggling to see in what way she has "used" the colour of her skin. could you explain?
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Post by sandypine on Dec 7, 2023 11:53:13 GMT
Apart from complaining that the police treated her unacceptably because of the colour of her skin, largely borne out by the subsequent investigation, I am struggling to see in what way she has "used" the colour of her skin. could you explain? Interesting that she said she was treated differently due to the colour of her skin but the only evidence that seemed to be presented to that effect was that she and her partner have been stopped before, perhaps I missed something but I have no recall of any other evidence. Yet she was believed the police were not. Did the colour of her skin have an effect on belief during the investigation. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 7, 2023 12:42:05 GMT
That was for the investigation to determine. They looked at the evidence and concluded.
I think I will leave it there
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Post by sandypine on Dec 7, 2023 17:15:46 GMT
That was for the investigation to determine. They looked at the evidence and concluded. I think I will leave it there Of course you will however we know no evidence to that effect was presented, she said it and was believed. That is not an investigation into evidence that is reaching a conclusion on the say so of one party and the conclusion that the Met was institutionally racist a tenuous conclusion at the best of times. Perhaps if she was not angry and confrontational things would have been different. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 7, 2023 17:19:24 GMT
If the policemen had acted professionally, it certainly would have been.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 7, 2023 17:28:00 GMT
If the policemen had acted professionally, it certainly would have been. I do not disagree but then we are only dealing with the reasons for stopping which was concluded to be because they were black on the sayso of the black people stopped. I am sure the police refuted that claim. So the evidence is effectively non existent. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 7, 2023 17:35:35 GMT
I think you need to read the inquiry judgement Sandy.
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