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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 5, 2023 10:13:27 GMT
"...After two Metropolitan Police officers were sacked over the stop and search of the British sprinter and her partner... ...Ms Williams, 29, failed on three occasions between April and June 2023, to tell police the identity of a driver alleged to have committed an offence while driving a Tesla Model 3." They really need to revisit the sacking of those officers.
Ahh, excellent news. Perhaps this has dislodged one of the chips from one of her very entitled shoulders. And yes, dismissing those officers definately needs to be revisited. I see she told magistrates that losing her driving licence would cause her exceptional hardship because she cant use public transport! The obvious question is, why cant she use public transport? Perhaps she doesn't like mixing with white people, or maybe she thinks she's too famous lol. Fortunately magistrates rejected her claim.  |
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Post by dappy on Dec 5, 2023 10:39:29 GMT
Oh Red, your hatred oozes out of you.
I understand there is an exceptional hardship defence available to all who may otherwise be at risk of losing their license. I understand her argument was that not having private transport would make it very difficult for her to drop off her child, travel to training, travel to collect her child and travel to her evening job and that that might compromise her chances of earning a medal at the next olympics. The magistrate, presumably with access to knowledge of the location of her home and these places and public transport links between them judged that her situation did not meet the standard to grant exceptional hardship. We must trust the panels judgement.
While I understand the reasons for your antipathy towards this lady - she does have black skin after all - there is no case whatsoever to reconsider the disciplinary findings of the policemen concerned in the earlier entirely unconnected incident.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 5, 2023 10:53:08 GMT
Oh Red, your hatred oozes out of you. I understand there is an exceptional hardship defence available to all who may otherwise be at risk of losing their license. I understand her argument was that not having private transport would make it very difficult for her to drop off her child, travel to training, travel to collect her child and travel to her evening job and that that might compromise her chances of earning a medal at the next olympics. The magistrate, presumably with access to knowledge of the location of her home and these places and public transport links between them judged that her situation did not meet the standard to grant exceptional hardship. We must trust the panels judgement. While I understand the reasons for your antipathy towards this lady - she does have black skin after all - there is no case whatsoever to reconsider the disciplinary findings of the policemen concerned in the earlier entirely unconnected incident. Rubbish. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 10:57:46 GMT
... While I understand the reasons for your antipathy towards this lady - she does have black skin after all - there is no case whatsoever to reconsider the disciplinary findings of the policemen concerned in the earlier entirely unconnected incident. Might be a good idea to refrain from making such pronouncements pending the outcome of their case at the Police Appeals Tribunal. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 5, 2023 11:00:31 GMT
I can't say I follow the case closely Dan. If any appeal tribunal changes the judgement, then of course e must respect that judgement. If they do it is incredibly unlikely yesterday's court appearance will have any relevance to that judgement.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 11:04:07 GMT
If the two ex-policemen have properly competent representation at their appeal the matter of Ms Williams' credibility as a witness is certain to be raised.
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 5, 2023 11:55:47 GMT
Wasn't it the officers lying about smelling cannabis that got them sacked? It's almost become today's equivalent of suspects falling down Police Station steps when profiling and stopping drivers... I rather liked the days when the court would be loathe to believe that the mark on the accused’s face WAS caused by a policeman’s boot and not a door handle. Because my mother worked for one of the people who were called to testify that for the living, and I occasionally worked with, and Dad was best friends in his last school years with, the man who would be called to testify that for the dead I could leave my car with lights on engine running doors open and radio blasting in the middle of Cardiff’s red light district and the nearest brothel’s minder would be standing next to it when i got back with a look PLEADING i don’t do that again. I know because when i sliced the vein in my arm doing work on my brothers car and drove to mum’s clinic with it self-tourniqued i got a rocket from her for bleeding over her clean floor and found one such minder by it when i got out of the clinic stitched and patched. I’d left the door open…… |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 6, 2023 4:36:53 GMT
Oh Red, your hatred oozes out of you. I understand there is an exceptional hardship defence available to all who may otherwise be at risk of losing their license. I understand her argument was that not having private transport would make it very difficult for her to drop off her child, travel to training, travel to collect her child and travel to her evening job and that that might compromise her chances of earning a medal at the next olympics. The magistrate, presumably with access to knowledge of the location of her home and these places and public transport links between them judged that her situation did not meet the standard to grant exceptional hardship. We must trust the panels judgement. While I understand the reasons for your antipathy towards this lady - she does have black skin after all - there is no case whatsoever to reconsider the disciplinary findings of the policemen concerned in the earlier entirely unconnected incident. Apologies, missed this somehow lol. Hatred! Dappy I didn't take her driving licence off her. The nasty magistrates did, and why? Because she has no fewar than 29 points on her driving licence. I have absolutely zero sympathy for anyone who racks up 29 points then pleads exceptional hardship if she loses her licence ffs she should of thought about exceptional hardship before she started collecting penalty points. No Dappy, she thought she would get away with it because she's black and for her it's a tried and trusted defence. But on this occasion the magistrates were having non of it, and rightly so. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 6, 2023 5:25:30 GMT
Just thought I'd mention this, I'm 64 and I've been driving since 1980, that's 43, nearly 44 years and I have never had any points on my licence. I'll be the first to admit that's down to luck rather than judgement but nonetheless, not a single point in 44 years of driving. Once 12 points are accrued a six month ban is automatically applied. But 29 year old Ms Williams was somehow allowed to accrue 29 points before the nasty magistrates banned her from driving. I wonder why she was allowed to accrue 29 points before being banned?
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Post by wapentake on Dec 6, 2023 8:54:58 GMT
I agree they should be reinstated but on notice about how they performed in that instance.
What I find more than amusing is the number of cops being criticised on here for arresting Yaxley Lennon and not doing their job properly for not arresting enough Palestine protestors.
You cannot have it both ways,the police do a difficult and sometimes dangerous job they cannot always get it right and like every walk of life there's the bad apples.
They’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t,who on here would do it?
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 9:15:53 GMT
Just thought I'd mention this, I'm 64 and I've been driving since 1980, that's 43, nearly 44 years and I have never had any points on my licence. I'll be the first to admit that's down to luck rather than judgement but nonetheless, not a single point in 44 years of driving. Once 12 points are accrued a six month ban is automatically applied. But 29 year old Ms Williams was somehow allowed to accrue 29 points before the nasty magistrates banned her from driving. I wonder why she was allowed to accrue 29 points before being banned? I know maths isn't your strongpoint Red and especially late at night, but surely even this complicated maths challenge isn't beyond you. a) If she committed three offences which were sentenced this week each earning her 6 pts each and she now has 29 points, how many points did she have at the end of last week? b) Which number is bigger, 11 or 12? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 6, 2023 12:13:06 GMT
Just thought I'd mention this, I'm 64 and I've been driving since 1980, that's 43, nearly 44 years and I have never had any points on my licence. I'll be the first to admit that's down to luck rather than judgement but nonetheless, not a single point in 44 years of driving. Once 12 points are accrued a six month ban is automatically applied. But 29 year old Ms Williams was somehow allowed to accrue 29 points before the nasty magistrates banned her from driving. I wonder why she was allowed to accrue 29 points before being banned? I know maths isn't your strongpoint Red and especially late at night, but surely even this complicated maths challenge isn't beyond you. a) If she committed three offences which were sentenced this week each earning her 6 pts each and she now has 29 points, how many points did she have at the end of last week? b) Which number is bigger, 11 or 12? From the BBC link ‘Williams failed on three occasions to reply to letters from the police between April and June’ So it has taken eight months for a court to drag her in and hand her the first of six points. If that was me i suspect the plod would be round to drag me off in eight MINUTES. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 12:49:12 GMT
As I understand it any one has a right to ask for a court hearing rather than accepting points and it seems she did.
The court system, like nearly every other public service service, has virtually collapsed under the Tories and I understand there are massive delays before cases are heard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2023 15:07:50 GMT
As I understand it any one has a right to ask for a court hearing rather than accepting points and it seems she did. The court system, like nearly every other public service service, has virtually collapsed under the Tories and I understand there are massive delays before cases are heard. When a person is due to be disqualified, they are compelled to attend the court hearing, I believe. She consistently refused to name the driver of her vehicle each time it was detected committing an offence. It's absolutely wilful unlawful behaviour and she has had to pay the price. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 6, 2023 16:11:51 GMT
As I understand it any one has a right to ask for a court hearing rather than accepting points and it seems she did. The court system, like nearly every other public service service, has virtually collapsed under the Tories and I understand there are massive delays before cases are heard. When a person is due to be disqualified, they are compelled to attend the court hearing, I believe. She consistently refused to name the driver of her vehicle each time it was detected committing an offence. It's absolutely wilful unlawful behaviour and she has had to pay the price. you may well be right, I wouldn't know. I understand anyone about to be banned can present an exceptional hardship defence to try to avoid a ban. She tried this and the magistrates judged that the hardships she will suffer didn't meet that standard. I am happy to trust that the magistrates have made that determination fairly. |
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