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Post by dappy on Dec 4, 2023 18:48:15 GMT
More genius stuff from our Tory government.
We are desperately short of people wishing to work in social care - that’s people who work in care homes and people who provide care packages in private homes delaying elderly people having to go into care homes. Even with foreign workers, we simply can’t get enough. So what does this government do? Introduce tax breaks or training schemes to encourage more Brits into that sector? No. What they do is ban dependents reducing further the supply of workers. Reduced quality of life for old people traded for a headline in the Express.
And as for young people. Well unless you earn in top 20% for under 35s, whatever you do best not to travel abroad or at least if you do not to talk to anyone who is a bit foreign. Because if you do and if you fall in love and eventually want to marry, we’ll forget it, we don’t want you and your dirty foreign husband or wife here. You’ll have to break up or go live abroad. Reduced quality of life for young people traded for a headline in the Mail.
We need to get rid of this shambolic government.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2023 18:52:31 GMT
For the first time today I heard a politician agree with my position that annual immigration was to make shortfall in the government bills.
Been saying this to the deaf on here for months.
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Post by jonksy on Dec 4, 2023 18:53:25 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2023 18:54:40 GMT
More genius stuff from our Tory government. We are desperately short of people wishing to work in social care - that’s people who work in care homes and people who provide care packages in private homes delaying elderly people having to go into care homes. Even with foreign workers, we simply can’t get enough. So what does this government do? Introduce tax breaks or training schemes to encourage more Brits into that sector? No. What they do is ban dependents reducing further the supply of workers. Reduced quality of life for old people traded for a headline in the Express. And as for young people. Well unless you earn in top 20% for under 35s, whatever you do best not to travel abroad or at least if you do not to talk to anyone who is a bit foreign. Because if you do and if you fall in love and eventually want to marry, we’ll forget it, we don’t want you and your dirty foreign husband or wife here. You’ll have to break up or go live abroad. Reduced quality of life for young people traded for a headline in the Mail. We need to get rid of this shambolic government. In all fairness Dappy I think more immigration is not a popular solution among the public. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2023 18:56:25 GMT
Promises promises. Is that why they bought in twice as many last year, so they could take a break in election year 😂 🤣 |
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Post by dappy on Dec 4, 2023 19:03:44 GMT
More genius stuff from our Tory government. We are desperately short of people wishing to work in social care - that’s people who work in care homes and people who provide care packages in private homes delaying elderly people having to go into care homes. Even with foreign workers, we simply can’t get enough. So what does this government do? Introduce tax breaks or training schemes to encourage more Brits into that sector? No. What they do is ban dependents reducing further the supply of workers. Reduced quality of life for old people traded for a headline in the Express. And as for young people. Well unless you earn in top 20% for under 35s, whatever you do best not to travel abroad or at least if you do not to talk to anyone who is a bit foreign. Because if you do and if you fall in love and eventually want to marry, we’ll forget it, we don’t want you and your dirty foreign husband or wife here. You’ll have to break up or go live abroad. Reduced quality of life for young people traded for a headline in the Mail. We need to get rid of this shambolic government. In all fairness Dappy I think more immigration is not a popular solution among the public. What’s the short term alternative Zany. By all means take steps to attract more UK workers to the care sector but right now all we have done is damage old peoples lives by reducing life enhancing care available to them and made it almost impossible for young people to live with their chosen spouses if that spouse happens to be born abroad. Sure they will get a positive headline in the express and on GB News and maybe hang on to a vote or two but is the cost of damaging our people’s lives really worth it? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2023 19:19:10 GMT
In all fairness Dappy I think more immigration is not a popular solution among the public. What’s the short term alternative Zany. By all means take steps to attract more UK workers to the care sector but right now all we have done is damage old peoples lives by reducing life enhancing care available to them and made it almost impossible for young people to live with their chosen spouses if that spouse happens to be born abroad. Sure they will get a positive headline in the express and on GB News and maybe hang on to a vote or two but is the cost of damaging our people’s lives really worth it? I think that 760,000 people ought to be enough for our care homes for a few years don't you? Seriously though if we were only letting in those needed desperately there would be an issue at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 19:39:40 GMT
The one they most readily want to pin on us is "far left remoaner". You don't actually have to be far left at all nor very much of a moaner. Simply being slightly to the left of Tony Blair and less than utterly ecstatic about the way Brexit is panning out is all it takes. Right wingers, and even some centrists, have been wilfully mislabelling opponents with wholly inaccurate extremist labels for decades now. It is a regular part of their armoury. Even Labour party centrists, let alone right wingers outside the party, are wont to call anyone who wants more council housing, more tenants rights, more workers rights, and publicly owned utilities, a "trot". I heard it all the time in the party. And yet an actual Trotskyite believes in permanent revolution, the hegemony of the working class, and the eradication of capitalism. Calling someone who merely believes in building council houses and limited nationalisation of the essential utilities a "trot" is deliberately dishonest mislabelling. Those they call "trots" today were once regarded as mainstream social democrats for believing in exactly the same things. You seem to be expecting some sort of morals or integrity. Good luck with that on here. Most are only here to vent their frustrations at a world so different to what they want. What makes me laugh is that almost the entire world seems to be doing the opposite of what they want and yet they still think they are the silent majority on all subjects. The supposed "silent majority" mostly consists of a minority of outmoded old reactionaries who regret the passing of the 1950s and who imagine that everyone agrees with them just because all their mates do. If we went back to black and white minstrel shows, Bernard Manning type comedians, beauty contests, Enoch Powell being taken seriously, and gays being banned, caning in schools, with hanging and flogging thrown in for good measure, and not to forget the birch, with the right to use signage that excludes dogs, blacks and Irish....they would be in their element. They are people whose hearts reside in the past, who dont accept the present, and fear they have lost the future. So feel an impulse to be grumpy about it all. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 19:42:43 GMT
Breaking news. Jokesy quotes the Daily Mail again, thereby ensuring that he is only ever preaching to the converted. C'est la vie. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 4, 2023 19:43:11 GMT
What’s the short term alternative Zany. By all means take steps to attract more UK workers to the care sector but right now all we have done is damage old peoples lives by reducing life enhancing care available to them and made it almost impossible for young people to live with their chosen spouses if that spouse happens to be born abroad. Sure they will get a positive headline in the express and on GB News and maybe hang on to a vote or two but is the cost of damaging our people’s lives really worth it? I think that 760,000 people ought to be enough for our care homes for a few years don't you? Seriously though if we were only letting in those needed desperately there would be an issue at all. In the context of the care sector where we have a massive excess of demand over available UK labour, surely we do desperately need those from abroad. In the case of an average young lad from Liverpool who wants to marry and live with the girl he loves but is now prevented from doing so because she happens to have been born in Madrid rather than Manchester, well surely that is just utterly heartless. Still a positive headline in the Express and the possibility of a vote from a knuckle-dragger apparently makes it all worthwhile. Kick the w*nkers out. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2023 19:55:07 GMT
You seem to be expecting some sort of morals or integrity. Good luck with that on here. Most are only here to vent their frustrations at a world so different to what they want. What makes me laugh is that almost the entire world seems to be doing the opposite of what they want and yet they still think they are the silent majority on all subjects. The supposed "silent majority" mostly consists of a minority of outmoded old reactionaries who regret the passing of the 1950s and who imagine that everyone agrees with them just because all their mates do. If we went back to black and white minstrel shows, Bernard Manning type comedians, beauty contests, Enoch Powell being taken seriously, and gays being banned, caning in schools, with hanging and flogging thrown in for good measure, and not to forget the birch, with the right to use signage that excludes dogs, blacks and Irish....they would be in their element. They are people whose hearts reside in the past, who dont accept the present, and fear they have lost the future. So feel an impulse to be grumpy about it all. Have you any stats for the'silent majority'. I think the various party manifestos over the years have stated clearly what the silent majority wanted as that was the only time they were allowed to say what they wanted without being called racist. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2023 19:58:55 GMT
I think that 760,000 people ought to be enough for our care homes for a few years don't you? Seriously though if we were only letting in those needed desperately there would be an issue at all. In the context of the care sector where we have a massive excess of demand over available UK labour, surely we do desperately need those from abroad. In the case of an average young lad from Liverpool who wants to marry and live with the girl he loves but is now prevented from doing so because she happens to have been born in Madrid rather than Manchester, well surely that is just utterly heartless. Still a positive headline in the Express and the possibility of a vote from a knuckle-dragger apparently makes it all worthwhile. Kick the w*nkers out. If you have a shortage to fill a specific low paid position what do the laws of supply and demand suggest should be done about it? The average young lad is not prevented as his freedoms to go where he pleases are not restricted by the UK government. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 4, 2023 20:07:57 GMT
In the context of the care sector where we have a massive excess of demand over available UK labour, surely we do desperately need those from abroad. In the case of an average young lad from Liverpool who wants to marry and live with the girl he loves but is now prevented from doing so because she happens to have been born in Madrid rather than Manchester, well surely that is just utterly heartless. Still a positive headline in the Express and the possibility of a vote from a knuckle-dragger apparently makes it all worthwhile. Kick the w*nkers out. If you have a shortage to fill a specific low paid position what do the laws of supply and demand suggest should be done about it? The average young lad is not prevented as his freedoms to go where he pleases are not restricted by the UK government. Well Sandy , in the long run you seek to adjust factors to help and encourage UK workers to join that sector. Perhaps you offer tax incentives for people working in that sector to encourage more people to take those roles. Or perhaps you invest in training schemes to help UK people acquire the skills needed. There is a whole range of things you could do but they will all take time. What you don't do is damage people's lives by cutting off the supply of bridge labour to fill the gaps while you are delivering that extra UK originating labour supply. Except that you apparently do if you are more interested in newspaper headlines and knuckledragger votes than in real people. As for our Liverpudlian this appalling government is absolutely affected his freedoms and his life. They are forcing this lad to choose between living with the girl he loves but leaving behind his home in his country and near his family or staying at home and breaking off his relationship with the love of his life, all so Sunak and co can try to keep their snout in the trough for a little longer. It really is utterly shameful. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 4, 2023 20:18:00 GMT
I think that 760,000 people ought to be enough for our care homes for a few years don't you? Seriously though if we were only letting in those needed desperately there would be an issue at all. In the context of the care sector where we have a massive excess of demand over available UK labour, surely we do desperately need those from abroad. In the case of an average young lad from Liverpool who wants to marry and live with the girl he loves but is now prevented from doing so because she happens to have been born in Madrid rather than Manchester, well surely that is just utterly heartless. Still a positive headline in the Express and the possibility of a vote from a knuckle-dragger apparently makes it all worthwhile. Kick the w*nkers out. So we should build our immigration policy around an imagined love story? Leftie politics in action . |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2023 20:23:12 GMT
The supposed "silent majority" mostly consists of a minority of outmoded old reactionaries who regret the passing of the 1950s and who imagine that everyone agrees with them just because all their mates do. If we went back to black and white minstrel shows, Bernard Manning type comedians, beauty contests, Enoch Powell being taken seriously, and gays being banned, caning in schools, with hanging and flogging thrown in for good measure, and not to forget the birch, with the right to use signage that excludes dogs, blacks and Irish....they would be in their element. They are people whose hearts reside in the past, who dont accept the present, and fear they have lost the future. So feel an impulse to be grumpy about it all. Have you any stats for the'silent majority'. I think the various party manifestos over the years have stated clearly what the silent majority wanted as that was the only time they were allowed to say what they wanted without being called racist. You are one of the ones trying to make the claim that you speak for a majority no one notices because they choose to remain silent. Have you any evidence to back up such a claim? Because most people with any opinionated axe to grind in this country are rarely backwards in coming forwards, as this forum demonstrates. So any silence from an imagined majority is likely to be due to exactly that. They are mostly imagined. By those who are desperate to believe that in speaking for themselves they have the support of the people. Though the evidence for that is of course negligible. |
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