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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 8:36:26 GMT
Well if people are making hiring decisions based on anything other than merit what conclusion should one reach? But that was not shown what was shown was that those with foreign sounding names got fewer call backs or requests to go for an interview. By your own definition the CVs were identical. What we got was the results study conclusions we do not know how many times both were rejected, or the AS one rejected alone or both picked or even who the selectors were. Just as important the CVs were supposed to be identical but unless only one was sent to each employer that would have raised suspicion. All other factors were supposed to have been excluded but it is not clear how. What the study showed was: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications' |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 8:37:36 GMT
I'm being silly Lol. You're the one claiming Tory voters believe Tory promises despite the evidence to the opposite. LOL - there is no evidence. All there is is your bizarre idea that Conservative supporters want mass immigration. Jus 5 minutes reflection would have told you that was not true..  Who has been defending the last 13 years of failed government promises? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 2, 2023 8:39:32 GMT
LOL - there is no evidence. All there is is your bizarre idea that Conservative supporters want mass immigration. Jus 5 minutes reflection would have told you that was not true.. Who has been defending the last 13 years of failed government promises? Nobody that I am aware of - but at least you recognise that there were failed government promises. Perhaps you can tell zany?.. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 9:38:20 GMT
Who has been defending the last 13 years of failed government promises? Nobody that I am aware of - but at least you recognise that there were failed government promises. Perhaps you can tell zany?.. Well I don't think it was the lefties. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 2, 2023 10:26:20 GMT
LOL - there is no evidence. All there is is your bizarre idea that Conservative supporters want mass immigration. Jus 5 minutes reflection would have told you that was not true.. Who has been defending the last 13 years of failed government promises? The promises were defended . The failure to achieve them was not. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2023 11:00:28 GMT
But that was not shown what was shown was that those with foreign sounding names got fewer call backs or requests to go for an interview. By your own definition the CVs were identical. What we got was the results study conclusions we do not know how many times both were rejected, or the AS one rejected alone or both picked or even who the selectors were. Just as important the CVs were supposed to be identical but unless only one was sent to each employer that would have raised suspicion. All other factors were supposed to have been excluded but it is not clear how. What the study showed was: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications' No, what it showed was that those with names that could be classed as foreign and whose heritage was possibly from the above areas had those relative chances. I have known a couple of chaps whose names were Macmillan and Wallace and who were of sub continent heritage and a chap whose name was of North African origin who was blond and blue eyed and the other applicants were not white British they had Anglo-Saxon/Celtic names. The research, and you, infer too much. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 2, 2023 12:04:39 GMT
What the study showed was: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications' No, what it showed was that those with names that could be classed as foreign and whose heritage was possibly from the above areas had those relative chances. I have known a couple of chaps whose names were Macmillan and Wallace and who were of sub continent heritage and a chap whose name was of North African origin who was blond and blue eyed and the other applicants were not white British they had Anglo-Saxon/Celtic names. The research, and you, infer too much. There are also other likely distortions. These applications would have been made to small companies because large companies don't handle things like that. People who make unsolicited applications to small companies are quite likely to find their application ignored. It's all in the timing and if you want to show something you just make the application at the right moment (ie when nobody would be interested even if your name is Winston Churchill). It's cobblers. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2023 19:32:40 GMT
I'm being silly Lol. You're the one claiming Tory voters believe Tory promises despite the evidence to the opposite. LOL - there is no evidence. All there is is your bizarre idea that Conservative supporters want mass immigration. Jus 5 minutes reflection would have told you that was not true.. I didn't think they did, that was your idea. That Tory voters believe the policies posted by Tories. That they are so stupid they believe the Tories when they say they will cut immigration even though they never have. Then that this was silly and they voted Tory knowing they would continue with their immigration. You are stuck between a rock and a hard place. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2023 19:49:40 GMT
LOL - there is no evidence. All there is is your bizarre idea that Conservative supporters want mass immigration. Jus 5 minutes reflection would have told you that was not true.. I didn't think they did, that was your idea. That Tory voters believe the policies posted by Tories. That they are so stupid they believe the Tories when they say they will cut immigration even though they never have. Then that this was silly and they voted Tory knowing they would continue with their immigration. You are stuck between a rock and a hard place. What you are saying is we were stupid to vote for Blair where the rot began in that they promised one thing and delivered something else as regards immigration and then voted Tory after NewLabour who promised something else first in coalition and then on their own. Having being bitten three times by Labour it also took three times before the Tories were full exposed. Now we are in a political Limbo where both parties may promise reduced immigration and we know both parties have lied profusely in the past as regards their immigration policies. It is a problem for the voter who may have to seek pastures new in the political jungle. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2023 21:23:19 GMT
I didn't think they did, that was your idea. That Tory voters believe the policies posted by Tories. That they are so stupid they believe the Tories when they say they will cut immigration even though they never have. Then that this was silly and they voted Tory knowing they would continue with their immigration. You are stuck between a rock and a hard place. What you are saying is we were stupid to vote for Blair where the rot began in that they promised one thing and delivered something else as regards immigration and then voted Tory after NewLabour who promised something else first in coalition and then on their own. Having being bitten three times by Labour it also took three times before the Tories were full exposed. Now we are in a political Limbo where both parties may promise reduced immigration and we know both parties have lied profusely in the past as regards their immigration policies. It is a problem for the voter who may have to seek pastures new in the political jungle. No argument from me on Blair and immigration, but we have had a Tory government for 13 years now. There comes a point when you have to stop pointing backwards. The Tories have given over 4.5million entry clearance grants since 2010. So we know they all do it, how do we stop them. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2023 21:41:12 GMT
What you are saying is we were stupid to vote for Blair where the rot began in that they promised one thing and delivered something else as regards immigration and then voted Tory after NewLabour who promised something else first in coalition and then on their own. Having being bitten three times by Labour it also took three times before the Tories were full exposed. Now we are in a political Limbo where both parties may promise reduced immigration and we know both parties have lied profusely in the past as regards their immigration policies. It is a problem for the voter who may have to seek pastures new in the political jungle. No argument from me on Blair and immigration, but we have had a Tory government for 13 years now. There comes a point when you have to stop pointing backwards. The Tories have given over 4.5million entry clearance grants since 2010. So we know they all do it, how do we stop them. I do not know but for certain what has to be done is not vote for eithe, give the LibDems a bodyswerve and the Greens. Does not leave much but when the possible is eliminated then only the impossible remains (or something like that). |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2023 21:57:06 GMT
No argument from me on Blair and immigration, but we have had a Tory government for 13 years now. There comes a point when you have to stop pointing backwards. The Tories have given over 4.5million entry clearance grants since 2010. So we know they all do it, how do we stop them. I do not know but for certain what has to be done is not vote for eithe, give the LibDems a bodyswerve and the Greens. Does not leave much but when the possible is eliminated then only the impossible remains (or something like that). Yeah I agree Sandy, there isn't a way of doing this via elections. how about mass demonstrations? my favourite would be a massive social media campaign leading to a referendum. (Done properly this time) |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2023 22:06:29 GMT
I do not know but for certain what has to be done is not vote for eithe, give the LibDems a bodyswerve and the Greens. Does not leave much but when the possible is eliminated then only the impossible remains (or something like that). Yeah I agree Sandy, there isn't a way of doing this via elections. how about mass demonstrations? my favourite would be a massive social media campaign leading to a referendum. (Done properly this time) We do not need a referendum we need a party who will do something they say they will do. Reform spring to mind as a fresh start as currently they seem to be untainted by the wannabee world statesmen that have proliferated in the other parties. This a legacy of the EU whereby UK politicians could see a political life after political rejection here. All the world may be a stage but we are desperate for politicians whose main aim and raison d'etre is to serve and represent the British people and not use them as a stepping stone to greater things |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 2, 2023 22:17:10 GMT
LOL - there is no evidence. All there is is your bizarre idea that Conservative supporters want mass immigration. Jus 5 minutes reflection would have told you that was not true.. I didn't think they did, that was your idea. That Tory voters believe the policies posted by Tories. That they are so stupid they believe the Tories when they say they will cut immigration even though they never have. Then that this was silly and they voted Tory knowing they would continue with their immigration. You are stuck between a rock and a hard place. oh so now that you have made a fool of yourself you are doubling down and telling me what I think.. ..well done - keep it up.. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2023 22:29:00 GMT
Yeah I agree Sandy, there isn't a way of doing this via elections. how about mass demonstrations? my favourite would be a massive social media campaign leading to a referendum. (Done properly this time) We do not need a referendum we need a party who will do something they say they will do. Reform spring to mind as a fresh start as currently they seem to be untainted by the wannabee world statesmen that have proliferated in the other parties. This a legacy of the EU whereby UK politicians could see a political life after political rejection here. All the world may be a stage but we are desperate for politicians whose main aim and raison d'etre is to serve and represent the British people and not use them as a stepping stone to greater things I can't see reform winning an election, too many no no's for me especially the attitude towards climate change. That's the problem with trying to do this through electioneering there's always other parts someone doesn't want. I think there is huge support for cutting immigration from folks from left right and centre. |
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