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Post by Bentley on Dec 1, 2023 20:10:16 GMT
How will you know if the 70 year old lap dancer has less merit than the 20 year old ? Howwill you know the one legged man has less merit than the two legged man for the bouncer job ? You invite them for an interview. Anything less is discrimination . So everyone who applies for any job gets an interview . Otherwise it’s discrimination and you don’t think that should happen . Discrimination has to be deliberate and must be proven so. Accidentally not interviewing a good candidate is not discrimination. Accidentally? What are you on about ? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 1, 2023 20:38:59 GMT
Discrimination has to be deliberate and must be proven so. Accidentally not interviewing a good candidate is not discrimination. Accidentally? What are you on about ? Well I assume you wouldn't know the man had one leg pre interview. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 1, 2023 20:46:51 GMT
Accidentally? What are you on about ? Well I assume you wouldn't know the man had one leg pre interview. Nope , its in the CV . |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 1, 2023 21:12:41 GMT
Well I assume you wouldn't know the man had one leg pre interview. Nope , its in the CV . Oh I get your point. How do I know the 70 year old lap dancer isn't as good because you assume age has had an effect on their body. A reasonable assumption. An exaggerated scenario to make a point. Yes we do that. Just as we assume a university professor is over qualified for a reception job and probably wont stay. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 1, 2023 21:30:58 GMT
Discrimination has to be deliberate and must be proven so. Accidentally not interviewing a good candidate is not discrimination. ..but if a small company has an all white staff and has no diversity and equality procedure then that can be taken into consideration and work against the employer. ..and that's where the various bureaucratic hangers on get their jobs |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 1, 2023 22:23:52 GMT
I am NOT claiming people voted Tory to get Brexit done. I think they voted Tory because the alternative was Corbyn. YOU claimed the vote was proof people supported Brexit. That was clearly a lie which you were happy to repeat despite the evidence of endless polls. I argued that there were many reasons people vote for a certain party, but you insisted it was evidence they supported Brexit. Well Corbyns not my cup of tea but it's a bit of a stretych to claim that he was the sole reason for Labours defeat - policy matters more than personality.  I think you are just confusing yourself here - people vote for policy promises not for what may or may not happen in the unknown future. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 1, 2023 22:39:34 GMT
I am NOT claiming people voted Tory to get Brexit done. I think they voted Tory because the alternative was Corbyn. YOU claimed the vote was proof people supported Brexit. That was clearly a lie which you were happy to repeat despite the evidence of endless polls. I argued that there were many reasons people vote for a certain party, but you insisted it was evidence they supported Brexit. Well Corbyns not my cup of tea but it's a bit of a stretych to claim that he was the sole reason for Labours defeat - policy matters more than personality. Where are those figures from Momentum? Yes so you say. I had no idea Tory voters were so thick. I'll let Sir Kier know he just has to promise lower tax for the rich and the Tory voters will flock to vote labour. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 1, 2023 22:46:01 GMT
..but if a small company has an all white staff and has no diversity and equality procedure then that can be taken into consideration and work against the employer. ..and that's where the various bureaucratic hangers on get their jobs My company is endlessly bombarded by companies warning us we might not meet compliance in every area from data storage to energy usage. Almost all of it is total rubbish. They use vague government statements to scare you into giving them 10k to do nothing. I'm sure if you listen there's some warning you about diversity. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 1, 2023 22:50:03 GMT
..and that's where the various bureaucratic hangers on get their jobs My company is endlessly bombarded by companies warning us we might not meet compliance in every area from data storage to energy usage. Almost all of it is total rubbish. They use vague government statements to scare you into giving them 10k to do nothing. I'm sure if you listen there's some warning you about diversity. I was actually referring to what can be considered to decide a case of racial discrimination that the claimant usually gets the EHRC to prosecute on their behalf. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 1, 2023 22:54:09 GMT
Where are those figures from Momentum? yougov now you are just being silly - if you cannot admit your error then fine. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2023 8:08:20 GMT
My company is endlessly bombarded by companies warning us we might not meet compliance in every area from data storage to energy usage. Almost all of it is total rubbish. They use vague government statements to scare you into giving them 10k to do nothing. I'm sure if you listen there's some warning you about diversity. I was actually referring to what can be considered to decide a case of racial discrimination that the claimant usually gets the EHRC to prosecute on their behalf. I was pointing out that as an employer I see scare stories like yours on a regular basis. The threat of the EHRC coming to get you is just another bogeyman. In reality there are a minute number of cases and the vast majority of claims never proceed. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 2, 2023 8:11:53 GMT
Where are those figures from Momentum? That's who published them, who was the audience asked. I'm being silly Lol. You're the one claiming Tory voters believe Tory promises despite the evidence to the opposite. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 2, 2023 8:13:41 GMT
I'm being silly Lol. You're the one claiming Tory voters believe Tory promises despite the evidence to the opposite. LOL - there is no evidence. All there is is your bizarre idea that Conservative supporters want mass immigration. Jus 5 minutes reflection would have told you that was not true..  |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 8:33:27 GMT
I don't believe I said that, how they would fit in with the team and company culture/values personality wise relates to capability. It's not remotely similar to dismissing them out of hand because of their skin tone. It is a consideration though. Will this candidate fit into our company's culture. You may not like that but it is true for all companies no matter who is in charge. Indian companies in the UK tend to employ Indians. I work for a French owned company with a mix of nationalities, company culture and national culture are two different things. |
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Post by happyhornet on Dec 2, 2023 8:34:27 GMT
Naturally if they've interviewed best they get the job. I really cannot fathom what is so contestable about the best qualified candidate getting the job based on merit alone. How do you find that at CV stage where you may have 40 candidates and whittle that down to six. The study was at CV stage. At CV stage you judge on qualifications, experience and achievement. |
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