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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 12:11:00 GMT
No because like I said it's actions that count and implementing a whites only boardroom policy would be illegal and unfairly impact people's career prospects. So, in effect every boardroom must have a person of colour in it to satisfy your position. Irrespective of 'feelings' which are trumped by your need for 'actions'. No that's not what I'm saying. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 30, 2023 12:13:49 GMT
So, in effect every boardroom must have a person of colour in it to satisfy your position. Irrespective of 'feelings' which are trumped by your need for 'actions'. No that's not what I'm saying. Well, then it's not clear what you're saying. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 30, 2023 12:13:59 GMT
I'm sure our old Dad who left school at 14 and became a pony driver down the pit would have found the concept of 'white' privilege completely baffling. White privilege was rampant in those days - I think the guy on the left might have had some..  Probably went for an early bath. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 12:16:56 GMT
No that's not what I'm saying. Well, then it's not clear what you're saying. I'm saying that it's up to individuals how they feel but if they act in a way that breaches employment law and adds to a societal challenge then it becomes a problem. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 30, 2023 12:25:45 GMT
White privilege was rampant in those days - I think the guy on the left might have had some.. When my niece was bullied and racially abused at school for being asian and was in tears saying she wanted to have white skin like everyone else when she was just 5 years old, her parents had to explain racism to her. My mum never had to have this conversation with me, we had the privilege of avoiding that because we are white. My niece's innocence was lost at 5 years of age and she will be aware of her ethnicity for the rest of her life in a way I never have been because I'm white, just like her parents and grandparents are. Their family will have to wait another generation at least to have what I've always had in that respect. The fact that my childhood was marred by the hardship and indignity of poverty doesn't mean I haven't been afforded certain privileges denied to others because of my ethnicity. I appreciate it's an uncomfortable concept, it's precisely because of my difficult childhood I once reacted emotionally and denied the existence of white privilege when it was first put to me, but an uncomfortable truth is still truth. When I was your nieces age I witnessed my Mum get verbally abused and called a 'honky bitch' by a black teenager. My Mum had to explain racism to me and I was always aware thereafter of the differences. My Mum avoided no such racial abuse and certainly not because of her majority privilege. I believe my white offspring are far more likely to endure racism, and have it drummed into them that they are some kind of white oppressor who need overthrowing, whether that be in boardrooms, Universities, or workplaces. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 12:31:15 GMT
When my niece was bullied and racially abused at school for being asian and was in tears saying she wanted to have white skin like everyone else when she was just 5 years old, her parents had to explain racism to her. My mum never had to have this conversation with me, we had the privilege of avoiding that because we are white. My niece's innocence was lost at 5 years of age and she will be aware of her ethnicity for the rest of her life in a way I never have been because I'm white, just like her parents and grandparents are. Their family will have to wait another generation at least to have what I've always had in that respect. The fact that my childhood was marred by the hardship and indignity of poverty doesn't mean I haven't been afforded certain privileges denied to others because of my ethnicity. I appreciate it's an uncomfortable concept, it's precisely because of my difficult childhood I once reacted emotionally and denied the existence of white privilege when it was first put to me, but an uncomfortable truth is still truth. When I was your nieces age I witnessed my Mum get verbally abused and called a 'honky bitch' by a black teenager. My Mum had to explain racism to me and I was always aware thereafter of the differences. My Mum avoided no such racial abuse and certainly not because of her majority privilege. I believe my white offspring are far more likely to endure racism, and have it drummed into them that they are some kind of white oppressor who need overthrowing, whether that be in boardrooms, Universities, or workplaces. Of course white people can experience racism too, but it's likely to be individual instances rather than societal. My niece for example could in theory have racially abused a white classmate, but in doing so she'd have been alienating herself from the rest of the class, losing all her friends. I doubt the staff would have ignored it like they did with the bullying and abuse she got. "I believe my white offspring are far more likely to endure racism, and have it drummed into them that they are some kind of white oppressor who need overthrowing, whether that be in boardrooms, Universities, or workplaces." The objective evidence I've seen suggests otherwise. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 30, 2023 12:32:50 GMT
Nope. If a person aged 70 applied for a job as a lap dancer ,the potential employee would probably give the job to a younger person . Unless you claim anyone should be given any job or at least get an interview for any job then you are just being obtuse and / or missing the point . That would still be evidence of age discrimination. Then all candidate selection is based on discrimination . So why should we consider on group more noteworthy than another . Not only that insurance must be considered discriminatory too. Dating sites too maybe 🙄 |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 12:44:41 GMT
That would still be evidence of age discrimination. Then all candidate selection is based on discrimination . So why should we consider on group more noteworthy than another . Not only that insurance must be considered discriminatory too. Dating sites too maybe 🙄 No, candidate selection is, or at least should be based on capability, not an accident of birth that has no bearing on their ability to do the job. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 30, 2023 12:51:18 GMT
Then all candidate selection is based on discrimination . So why should we consider on group more noteworthy than another . Not only that insurance must be considered discriminatory too. Dating sites too maybe 🙄 No, candidate selection is, or at least should be based on capability, not an accident of birth that has no bearing on their ability to do the job. Nope. All initial applicants are selected through assessment from the info given . I suspect that enough poor candidates came from that group to suggest choosing candidates from another group is wise ..just as one might pick a 20 year old lap dancer application over a 70 year old applying for the same job What you are suggesting is that the people employed to choose candidates are deliberately sabotaging their own employers . When was this study undertaken? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 13:19:04 GMT
No, candidate selection is, or at least should be based on capability, not an accident of birth that has no bearing on their ability to do the job. Nope. All initial applicants are selected through assessment from the info given . I suspect that enough poor candidates came from that group to suggest choosing candidates from another group is wise ..just as one might pick a 20 year old lap dancer application over a 70 year old applying for the same job What you are suggesting is that the people employed to choose candidates are deliberately sabotaging their own employers . When was this study undertaken? The information given relates to capability. That's quite a suggestion you've made with no evidence to back it up. Even if it were true, it would still amount to job applications being rejected purely because of ethnicity. The study was carried out in 2019. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 30, 2023 13:29:50 GMT
Nope. All initial applicants are selected through assessment from the info given . I suspect that enough poor candidates came from that group to suggest choosing candidates from another group is wise ..just as one might pick a 20 year old lap dancer application over a 70 year old applying for the same job What you are suggesting is that the people employed to choose candidates are deliberately sabotaging their own employers . When was this study undertaken? The information given relates to capability. That's quite a suggestion you've made with no evidence to back it up. Even if it were true, it would still amount to job applications being rejected purely because of ethnicity. The study was carried out in 2019. The claim of white privilege or racism regarding this has no evidence to back that up either . It’s just speculation too. Job applications rejected on the same basis as any other job application is initially rejected . It just you and other lefties that want their victims to be elevated over every other victims of initial selection . |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 13:38:19 GMT
The information given relates to capability. That's quite a suggestion you've made with no evidence to back it up. Even if it were true, it would still amount to job applications being rejected purely because of ethnicity. The study was carried out in 2019. The claim of white privilege or racism regarding this has no evidence to back that up either . It’s just speculation too. Job applications rejected on the same basis as any other job application is initially rejected . It just you and other lefties that want their victims to be elevated over every other victims of initial selection . If an identical CV with the exception of the name being changed to an asian, african or middle eastern name delivers wildly different outcomes it's not an unreasonable conclusion to reach that the name was the reason it was rejected. It is in fact the only logical conclusion I can see. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 30, 2023 13:43:38 GMT
The claim of white privilege or racism regarding this has no evidence to back that up either . It’s just speculation too. Job applications rejected on the same basis as any other job application is initially rejected . It just you and other lefties that want their victims to be elevated over every other victims of initial selection . If an identical CV with the exception of the name being changed to an asian, african or middle eastern name delivers wildly different outcomes it's not an unreasonable conclusion to reach that the name was the reason it was rejected. It is in fact the only logical conclusion I can see. The name would be an indicator to the probability of suitability for the candidate, just as age , health issues and other factors may be an indicator. I suspect previous similar candidates proved to be poor choices . |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 30, 2023 13:47:32 GMT
If an identical CV with the exception of the name being changed to an asian, african or middle eastern name delivers wildly different outcomes it's not an unreasonable conclusion to reach that the name was the reason it was rejected. It is in fact the only logical conclusion I can see. The name would be an indicator to the probability of suitability for the candidate, just as age , health issues and other factors may be an indicator. I suspect previous similar candidates proved to be poor choices . Racially discriminating against someone because of previous negative experiences with people in their ethnic group is still racial discrimination. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 30, 2023 13:49:42 GMT
The name would be an indicator to the probability of suitability for the candidate, just as age , health issues and other factors may be an indicator. I suspect previous similar candidates proved to be poor choices . Racially discriminating against someone because of previous negative experiences with people in their ethnic group is still racial discrimination. These tossers incriminate themselves hh. |
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