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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 22:23:38 GMT
I wasn't asking him I was asking you. I'm only repeating what was reported in the media at the time.
Since you're asking for may opinion, my preference would be to eliminate all financial subsidies which might encourage ethnic rapid breeders.
So imposing measures to prevent birth within the group? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 22:25:35 GMT
Rights are what one is entitled to in law if a third party decides to invoke it. If I go for a job and am equally qualified for it with AN Other ethnic minority candidate I can be legally discriminated against as the laws and the current proportionality situation exists. The ethnic minority candidate cannot. There are many reasons why people are unemployed and it is not always because they cannot get a job. Take the Bangladeshi group you referred to there are 10% of that group on disability living allowance when the white British are on 8% yet they specifically apparently came in to do the jobs that Brits would not. The ONS throw up many interesting facts but be careful what you come up with Nope, no entitlement to claim this right means it's not a right. I'm sure if the ONS figures showed the opposite you'd be singing a different tune. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 22:26:03 GMT
So would you like to swap circumstances? You have a white indegenous British PM and London mayor but white indegenous British people are statistically twice as likely to be unemployed as black and asian British people?that must be their white privilege at work... Looks that way. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2023 22:26:37 GMT
You'll need to explain why you feel such circumstances might ever come about in the real world. We have had white political leaders for several centuries now but the unemployment scenario you imagine has never come to pass as of yet. What makes you think it might? It would suggest that regardless of the ethnicity of the PM ethnic minorities are disadvantaged in the job market. They are less likely to be employed but that has many factors. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2023 22:28:51 GMT
I'm only repeating what was reported in the media at the time.
Since you're asking for may opinion, my preference would be to eliminate all financial subsidies which might encourage ethnic rapid breeders.
So imposing measures to prevent birth within the group? LOL - it's not preventing anything, just not subsidising it..  |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 22:31:43 GMT
It would suggest that regardless of the ethnicity of the PM ethnic minorities are disadvantaged in the job market. They are less likely to be employed but that has many factors. Like this for example: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417 |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2023 22:33:35 GMT
Rights are what one is entitled to in law if a third party decides to invoke it. If I go for a job and am equally qualified for it with AN Other ethnic minority candidate I can be legally discriminated against as the laws and the current proportionality situation exists. The ethnic minority candidate cannot. There are many reasons why people are unemployed and it is not always because they cannot get a job. Take the Bangladeshi group you referred to there are 10% of that group on disability living allowance when the white British are on 8% yet they specifically apparently came in to do the jobs that Brits would not. The ONS throw up many interesting facts but be careful what you come up with Nope, no entitlement to claim this right means it's not a right. I'm sure if the ONS figures showed the opposite you'd be singing a different tune. If we are splitting hairs let us redefine it as an allowance in law that white people cannot be given and in terms of the UNDHR, is against their human rights as that specifically says one cannot be discriminated against because of race yet a white person can be in law so an ethnic minority individual has a right, as defined, I do not. However the ONS figures do not say the opposite and you were very keen to quote them if it showed what you believe was injustice. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2023 22:34:39 GMT
They are less likely to be employed but that has many factors. Like this for example: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417Why are women in Islamic households 3 times as likely to be unemployed as other women? - is it racism or culture? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2023 22:35:50 GMT
They are less likely to be employed but that has many factors. Like this for example: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417I never said racial discrimination did not exist but believing it is the sum total of all problems is dishonest and plain wrong. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 22:36:24 GMT
Nope, no entitlement to claim this right means it's not a right. I'm sure if the ONS figures showed the opposite you'd be singing a different tune. If we are splitting hairs let us redefine it as an allowance in law that white people cannot be given and in terms of the UNDHR, is against their human rights as that specifically says one cannot be discriminated against because of race yet a white person can be in law so an ethnic minority individual has a right, as defined, I do not. However the ONS figures do not say the opposite and you were very keen to quote them if it showed what you believe was injustice. It's not splitting hairs it's a statement of fact that it's not a right that can be claimed. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 22:37:36 GMT
Like this for example: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417Why are women in Islamic households 3 times as likely to be unemployed as other women? - is it racism or culture? Maybe it's something to do with the evidence indicative of discrimination against ethnic minorities combined with societal mysoginy? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 22:38:12 GMT
Like this for example: "Compared to White British applicants, people of: Pakistani heritage had to make 70% more applications Nigerian and South Asian heritage 80% more applications Middle Eastern and north African heritage 90% more applications" www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46927417I never said racial discrimination did not exist but believing it is the sum total of all problems is dishonest and plain wrong. I never said it was the sum total of all problems. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2023 22:40:51 GMT
If we are splitting hairs let us redefine it as an allowance in law that white people cannot be given and in terms of the UNDHR, is against their human rights as that specifically says one cannot be discriminated against because of race yet a white person can be in law so an ethnic minority individual has a right, as defined, I do not. However the ONS figures do not say the opposite and you were very keen to quote them if it showed what you believe was injustice. It's not splitting hairs it's a statement of fact that it's not a right that can be claimed. You do not claim rights you have them or you do not. The right in the UNDHR is that a person has a 'right' not to be discriminated against due to race. That 'right' has been negated in UK law for white people through the positive action allowance that currently means white people can be discriminated against. It is fairly simple. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2023 22:42:01 GMT
I never said racial discrimination did not exist but believing it is the sum total of all problems is dishonest and plain wrong. I never said it was the sum total of all problems. Then what are the other factors as you raised the issue? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 29, 2023 22:47:29 GMT
Why are women in Islamic households 3 times as likely to be unemployed as other women? - is it racism or culture? Maybe it's something to do with the evidence indicative of discrimination against ethnic minorities combined with societal mysoginy? So why are Muslims unemployed at twice the rate of Hindus? - this discrimination seems pretty selective. |
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