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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 29, 2023 20:58:11 GMT
As long as persons of migration background are allowed to own real property in England the amount of territory available to the indigenous population as their collective inheritance is reduced accordingly. Many countries, including several of those which have contributed most to the incoming migrant stream in the last sixty years, have laws in effect to restrict or even disallow such ownership. India being a very prominent example. Didn’t British India have 200 years to acclimatise to British rule? Is it any wonder if some of those people — now Bangladeshi, Indian and Pakistani — feel they are as entitled to live in the UK, albeit in lesser roles, as their former rulers? Seems to me that keeping in with India, especially, and its growing and strengthening economy would be a good move for the UK. Trade and freedom of movement are certainly on the agenda… I'm a great believer in reciprocity and would be quite relaxed about hosting a similar proportion of subcontinentals in Britain as there were Britons in India etc.
It turns out that even at the height of the Raj there were never more than 150,000 Britons in British India (which encompassed all the countries you mention plus Burma) compared to a native population of over 300 million.
Applying the principle of reciprocity would entail at least 95% of the subcontinentals presently roosting in Britain returning home.
That's a compromise I could live with, especially if it were to be applied to other colonial possessions as well.
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 21:07:03 GMT
"Positive action actively discriminates against the white population as do the programmes to increase diversity. Even more so since the proportions are changing. The Equality duty in all public bodies is also discriminatory. Assuming your ethnic grouping is not white British then your rights are based on being an active ethnic minority with preference considered due to the Equality duty, the diversity programme and positive action." Positive action is not on the statute books. Show me a law that is that gives me rights that you don't have. My ethnic grouping is white British, my father is an Irish immigrant, my kids are mixed race their mum is Asian. Where is your proof of preference considered due to the Equality duty, the diversity programme and positive action? I don't mean speculation and inneundo, I mean hard statisticscal data from reputable sources? Because all of the data I've seen points to the opposite of what you're saying. You need to read the equality act as regards positive action, www.thesun.co.uk/news/15335853/bbc-sparks-discrimination-row-minorities/"Under the Equality Act passed in 2010, positive discrimination is unlawful, but “positive action” is allowed for trainee and internships when minorities are under-represented in the industry." Your kids may be positively actioned, you maybe, but you are white so really on loser. I keep supplying proof as regards what the act says and people keep ignoring it. I will keep on trying. "Some groups of people who share a particular characteristic may suffer disadvantage connected to that characteristic, have different needs compared to others without that characteristic, or are underrepresented in certain activities. The positive action provisions in the Act[footnote 2] allow employers to take action that may involve treating one group that shares a protected characteristic more favourably than others, where this is a proportionate way to enable or encourage members of that group to: overcome or minimise a disadvantage have their different needs met participate in a particular activity This is called taking ‘positive action’." www.gov.uk/government/publications/positive-action-in-the-workplace-guidance-for-employers/positive-action-in-the-workplace#what-is-positive-actionThis not innuendo it is law.. What statistical data do you want? Ethnic minorities as a proportion of the British population are increasing and therefore the need to increase the intake now to meet the current levels is self evidently needed if diversity is supposed to reflective of the proportions in teh country. This seems like simple self evident logic Positive action isn't a legal right, it's an option at the discretion of employers, I can't claim it and neither can my kids. As to statistical data, I mean like for example according to the ONS a black people and people from the combined Bangladeshi and Pakistani ethnic grouping in Britain is twice as likely to be unemployed as a white person: www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/unemployment-and-economic-inactivity/unemployment/latest |
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Post by Orac on Nov 29, 2023 21:08:02 GMT
Indeed. ..but not the territorial inheritance of white people. More white people to share it with means less for each white person. Correct. I already agreed with this. If the uk were to take on 20 million white east Europeans, then the British would similarly find their inheritance dissolved. Reminder - I am modeling the current UK hyper immigration as a value and discretion transfer away from the white British / white English group. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 21:10:21 GMT
Didn’t British India have 200 years to acclimatise to British rule? Is it any wonder if some of those people — now Bangladeshi, Indian and Pakistani — feel they are as entitled to live in the UK, albeit in lesser roles, as their former rulers? Seems to me that keeping in with India, especially, and its growing and strengthening economy would be a good move for the UK. Trade and freedom of movement are certainly on the agenda… I'm a great believer in reciprocity and would be quite relaxed about hosting a similar proportion of subcontinentals in Britain as there were Britons in India etc.
It turns out that even at the height of the Raj there were never more than 150,000 Britons in British India (which encompassed all the countries you mention) compared to a native population of over 300 million.
Applying the principle of reciprocity would entail at least 95% of the subcontinentals presently roosting in Britain returning home.
That's a compromise I could live with, especially if it were to be applied to other colonial possessions as well.
"I'm a great believer in reciprocity and would be quite relaxed about hosting a similar proportion of subcontinentals in Britain as there were Britons in India etc." You would also presumably be happy giving them the same amount of power over the indigenous population as the British had in Colonial India being as you are a believer in reciprocity? My kids are half Asian, this is their home. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 21:11:31 GMT
More white people to share it with means less for each white person. Correct. I already agreed with this. If the uk were to take on 20 million white east Europeans, then the British would similarly find their inheritance dissolved. Reminder - I am modeling the current UK hyper immigration as a value and discretion transfer away from the white British / white English group. So impose a blanket China style two children rule across all people in Britain and hey presto problem solved. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 29, 2023 21:14:42 GMT
Correct. I already agreed with this. If the uk were to take on 20 million white east Europeans, then the British would similarly find their inheritance dissolved. Reminder - I am modeling the current UK hyper immigration as a value and discretion transfer away from the white British / white English group. So impose a blanket China style two children rule across all people in Britain and hey presto problem solved. What use would that be if immigration policy introduced and extra (say) 2 million people a year? |
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Post by patman post on Nov 29, 2023 21:17:39 GMT
Certainly the independence movement told the British that they should piss off from direct managerial control after independence. But, even then, India saw how working together with Britain could prove beneficial. And their innate pacifist leanings mean they haven’t aped the British need in seeking new lands, and taken over the UK by force. They’ve just installed a PM… Not sure if I agree with the 'innate pacifist leanings'. New lands of course had not been sought for many decades. Having a PM of foreign extraction is at best a risk. Is it not the case that when white people are in government then ethnic minorities say they are not represented. Does that work both ways? That’s uncontextualised waffle. Just research or Google, out of the 200 years Britain ruled British India, how many locals were involved in the higher levels of government…? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 29, 2023 21:18:13 GMT
"So impose a blanket China style two children rule across all people in Britain and hey presto problem solved."
Such an imposition would be immediately denounced as racist as indeed was the proposal to limit child allowance to just the first two just a couple of years ago. The demographic tsunami will not be halted by such facile means given the sympathies of the ruling elite which are certainly not aligned with the interest of the native population. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 29, 2023 21:21:43 GMT
Not sure if I agree with the 'innate pacifist leanings'. New lands of course had not been sought for many decades. Having a PM of foreign extraction is at best a risk. Is it not the case that when white people are in government then ethnic minorities say they are not represented. Does that work both ways? That’s uncontextualised waffle. Just research or Google, out of the 200 years Britain ruled British India, how many locals were involved in the higher levels of government…? Most Indians even up to the eve of Independence lived in the 'princely states' which had internal self-government and which the British presence was restricted to the Resident, his family and a small staff. Perhaps twenty people in all in a state with a population of tens of millions. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 29, 2023 21:47:23 GMT
HH asked: "You would also presumably be happy giving them the same amount of power over the indigenous population as the British had in Colonial India being as you are a believer in reciprocity?"
The last time I checked both the most powerful person in the country and the capital city were of subcontinental ancestry. Seems to me the wheel as turned full circle.
How much more do you think we will have to surrender to atone for past sins?
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Post by patman post on Nov 29, 2023 21:48:50 GMT
Didn’t British India have 200 years to acclimatise to British rule? Is it any wonder if some of those people — now Bangladeshi, Indian and Pakistani — feel they are as entitled to live in the UK, albeit in lesser roles, as their former rulers? Seems to me that keeping in with India, especially, and its growing and strengthening economy would be a good move for the UK. Trade and freedom of movement are certainly on the agenda… I'm a great believer in reciprocity and would be quite relaxed about hosting a similar proportion of subcontinentals in Britain as there were Britons in India etc.
It turns out that even at the height of the Raj there were never more than 150,000 Britons in British India (which encompassed all the countries you mention) compared to a native population of over 300 million.
Applying the principle of reciprocity would entail at least 95% of the subcontinentals presently roosting in Britain returning home.
That's a compromise I could live with, especially if it were to be applied to other colonial possessions as well.
OK, if the same proportion of Indians, as the Raj installed British to run British India, were in UK government and judiciary with the same powers, could you live with that? And look, it’s slowly happening without pirates and private armies As for other “colonial possessions”, surely marching in and taking them over (or defeating their previous owners) deserves some recompense. The gradual ceding of Bradford, south and east London, and 75% of Birmingham to the descendants of the forcibly colonised could be a reasonable settlement. Pity if that puts paid to local bat-and-trap and Morris dancing. But perhaps some foreign arts body or museum might save them… |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 21:49:28 GMT
So impose a blanket China style two children rule across all people in Britain and hey presto problem solved. What use would that be if immigration policy introduced and extra (say) 2 million people a year? What would the race of the immigrants matter if all you were concerned about was geographical inheritance? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 29, 2023 21:49:48 GMT
HH asked: "You would also presumably be happy giving them the same amount of power over the indigenous population as the British had in Colonial India being as you are a believer in reciprocity?"
The last time I checked both the most powerful person in the country and the capital city were of subcontinental ancestry. Seems to me the wheel as turned full circle.
How much more do you think we will have to surrender to atone for past sins?
Everything until the ethnic whites are extinct ? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 21:50:24 GMT
"So impose a blanket China style two children rule across all people in Britain and hey presto problem solved."
Such an imposition would be immediately denounced as racist as indeed was the proposal to limit child allowance to just the first two just a couple of years ago. The demographic tsunami will not be halted by such facile means given the sympathies of the ruling elite which are certainly not aligned with the interest of the native population. How could it be racist if it applies to everyone regardless of race? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 29, 2023 21:51:30 GMT
HH asked: "You would also presumably be happy giving them the same amount of power over the indigenous population as the British had in Colonial India being as you are a believer in reciprocity?"
The last time I checked both the most powerful person in the country and the capital city were of subcontinental ancestry. Seems to me the wheel as turned full circle.
How much more do you think we will have to surrender to atone for past sins?
The PM and Mayor of London are British. |
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