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Post by dappy on Nov 22, 2023 21:04:25 GMT
Yes it is. The offender, if released, will be released on license and can be recalled to prison at any time. He remains under the original sentence. Just that not all of his sentence will be served in prison.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 10:17:53 GMT
No thanks Red and Vinny - morally wrong and frankly simply not going to happen. You may be right re family if what you say is accurate. As for “life” meaning life in prison - exactly the same argument as the 30 yrs v 40 yrs above. If Ashley Dale had been your daughter you might feel differently about this. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 10:21:37 GMT
Yes it is. The offender, if released, will be released on license and can be recalled to prison at any time. He remains under the original sentence. Just that not all of his sentence will be served in prison. What will Ashley Dale be doing in 12 years time? She was murdered. They illegally gave her a death sentence. Why should they get any part of their lives back? |
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Post by dappy on Nov 23, 2023 11:33:32 GMT
No thanks Red and Vinny - morally wrong and frankly simply not going to happen. You may be right re family if what you say is accurate. As for “life” meaning life in prison - exactly the same argument as the 30 yrs v 40 yrs above. If Ashley Dale had been your daughter you might feel differently about this. I might, I might not. I hope never to find out. Decisions in life are usually best taken by those in a position to make those decisions without being emotionally involved. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 23, 2023 11:41:49 GMT
Yes it is. The offender, if released, will be released on license and can be recalled to prison at any time. He remains under the original sentence. Just that not all of his sentence will be served in prison. What will Ashley Dale be doing in 12 years time? She was murdered. They illegally gave her a death sentence. Why should they get any part of their lives back? Nothing we can now do will bring a murder victim back sadly. What we now have to consider is what is in the best interests of those still living in society as a whole. Pretending to ourselves that we are today deciding to lock up the perpetrators of the crime beyond 2053, especially if at that time they are assessed to hold no risk serves noone's interests beyond politicians seeking tabloid headlines. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 11:56:42 GMT
What will Ashley Dale be doing in 12 years time? She was murdered. They illegally gave her a death sentence. Why should they get any part of their lives back? Nothing we can now do will bring a murder victim back sadly. No but we can punish the scum who did it for the rest of their natural lives, and we should. In this case it is so clear cut there is no ambiguity. Whole life is justified. Had we still retained the death penalty they would all have been hanged. They will still be dangerous in 30 years time. No sense in ever letting them out. I posted recently about a murderer who had been locked up in the 60's, did 11 years, reoffended in the 70's with a series of a rapes and is back inside again, even though he's in his 80's. ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/thread/4749/killer-sent-prison-after-reoffendingFeel free to contribute to that thread. Such people are scum and always will be. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 23, 2023 12:11:40 GMT
You dont know if they still will pose a material risk i 30 years time. If so it might be necessary to keep them in jail. No need to make that decision now (and we can't anyway of course) - the authorities in 30 years can decide that then.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 12:39:33 GMT
If they would have been roped under capital punishment they should get whole life without the death penalty.
They have deliberately killed.
Permanent removal of liberty is the best punishment.
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Post by dappy on Nov 23, 2023 12:55:54 GMT
In your opinion, Vinny.
But you haven't explained what is to be gained by keeping people in prison after say 25 years at considerable expense if they are judged safe to release on license at that time but can be recalled to prison if their subsequent behaviour suggests that they then do pose a threat.
Forget capital punishment , that is not a serious option. Just focus on the question asked.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 13:02:24 GMT
Punishment is gained.
Their misery is gained.
Keep em in solitary too.
Other would be killers see what would await them if they did the same.
Scary punishments are better than light slaps on the wrist.
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Post by dappy on Nov 23, 2023 13:06:23 GMT
Do you have some evidence that other potential murderers will be deterred from committing their crime if they know they will spend the rest of their life in prison rather than just spending the next 25 years in prison and then possibly be released then (but not certainly) and even then only on license such that they can be recalled with no notice at any time?
Feels like a nonsense argument to me.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 13:56:02 GMT
Would you ever release Levi Bellfield (bus stop killer)?
Stephen Griffiths (crossbow cannibal)?
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Post by dappy on Nov 23, 2023 14:04:20 GMT
Belfield - I think it is extremely unlikely he will ever be judged safe to release into the community on license.
I don't know enough about Griffiths's case to comment, I am afraid.
Absolutely there will sadly be some people that will never be safe to release (well at least with today's technology - who knows what the world will look like in say 30 years time).
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 14:10:24 GMT
So what makes you think this lot, who thought nothing of going into a private home with a sub-machine gun, would ever be safe to release?
Keep em in solitary.
Even a 90 year old can use a gun.
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Post by dappy on Nov 23, 2023 14:17:32 GMT
They may or may not be. That is for the appropriate authority to decide in say 30 years time. There would be no point keeping them in jail for another 10 years if they are safe to release on license. If they are not they stay in jail.
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