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Post by Vinny on Nov 16, 2023 21:10:18 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 17, 2023 4:15:03 GMT
It's the way the west has been going for the past 20+ years, left wing and soft on crime which is just one of the reasons the UK is a magnate for EU criminals. However, I agree he should have got a damned sight more than 13 years probably out in 6 or 7. He should not be considered for parole until he's served at least 20 years. Yes I know, I'm a softy at heart. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 17, 2023 9:11:13 GMT
It is clear from the judges comments that he pushed the sentence as high as the sentencing guidelines allowed him to
Domestic violence is sadly all too prevalent in our country and sadly, while this is extreme, these sort of incidents are not rare. It’s much to be hoped that Jess Philips returns to the Labour front bench post election to begin to address a neglected issue.
Perhaps the most shocking aspect of this story is that no ambulance was available to take the victim to hospital. Hard to think of a more shocking indictment of the appalling state of our health services in our country. I believe this happened in Wales so strictly speaking under the Welsh government but the issues are the same across all. We have to find tax revenues to solve this problem nationwide.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 17, 2023 9:40:35 GMT
It's the way the west has been going for the past 20+ years, left wing and soft on crime which is just one of the reasons the UK is a magnate for EU criminals. However, I agree he should have got a damned sight more than 13 years probably out in 6 or 7. He should not be considered for parole until he's served at least 20 years. Yes I know, I'm a softy at heart. The Left are soft on crime only when it suits the Right, Red. One moment the Right are telling us that the Left are soft on crime, the next they're telling us the Left wants to send everyone to gulags. Which is it? And the UK and Spain have the highest incarceration rates in Western Europe. Why would EU criminals be attracted to the UK? It's certainly not because there's a more lenient sentencing policy. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 17, 2023 11:33:36 GMT
It is clear from the judges comments that he pushed the sentence as high as the sentencing guidelines allowed him to Domestic violence is sadly all too prevalent in our country and sadly, while this is extreme, these sort of incidents are not rare. It’s much to be hoped that Jess Philips returns to the Labour front bench post election to begin to address a neglected issue... Unlikely with "Human Rights" obsessed Labour (although strangely the Human Rights of the victims are never considered). Perhaps the most shocking aspect of this story is that no ambulance was available to take the victim to hospital. Hard to think of a more shocking indictment of the appalling state of our health services in our country. I believe this happened in Wales so strictly speaking under the Welsh government... You mean under a Labour government. I agree it's shocking, but that's Labour for you. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2023 12:15:22 GMT
It's the way the west has been going for the past 20+ years, left wing and soft on crime which is just one of the reasons the UK is a magnate for EU criminals. However, I agree he should have got a damned sight more than 13 years probably out in 6 or 7. He should not be considered for parole until he's served at least 20 years. Yes I know, I'm a softy at heart. And the UK and Spain have the highest incarceration rates in Western Europe. Why would EU criminals be attracted to the UK? It's certainly not because there's a more lenient sentencing policy. If you are a magnet for criminals, you are quite likely to end up with more people in prison - even if you are lenient. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 17, 2023 12:30:13 GMT
And the UK and Spain have the highest incarceration rates in Western Europe. Why would EU criminals be attracted to the UK? It's certainly not because there's a more lenient sentencing policy. If you are a magnet for criminals, you are quite likely to end up with more people in prison - even if you are lenient. What leniency? 'According to data from the UK Ministry of Justice, the average prison sentence of all offenses was 22.6 months in 2022. This is already a step up from the average of 18.6 months in 2021, and has doubled since the year 2000 when it was 11.4 months'. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 17, 2023 12:34:04 GMT
And the UK and Spain have the highest incarceration rates in Western Europe. Why would EU criminals be attracted to the UK? It's certainly not because there's a more lenient sentencing policy. If you are a magnet for criminals, you are quite likely to end up with more people in prison - even if you are lenient. And the UK seems to be way out in the lead as far as incarcerating criminals is concerned: 'Countries with the highest prison population are the United Kingdom and Poland (with over 93,000 and over 73,000 detainees respectively) followed by France, Germany, Italy, and Spain, whose prison systems host around 64,000 detainees each'. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 17, 2023 12:36:01 GMT
And the UK and Spain have the highest incarceration rates in Western Europe. Why would EU criminals be attracted to the UK? It's certainly not because there's a more lenient sentencing policy. If you are a magnet for criminals, you are quite likely to end up with more people in prison - even if you are lenient. And sentences in the UK certainly aren't shorter than elsewhere in Europe: 'UK tops European league table of numbers in indefinite detention. The UK has the highest number of life-sentenced prisoners of any country in Europe, the latest edition of the Prison Reform Trust's Bromley Briefings Prison Factfile reveals.18 Dec 2018' |
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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2023 12:41:02 GMT
If you are a magnet for criminals, you are quite likely to end up with more people in prison - even if you are lenient. And sentences in the UK certainly aren't shorter than elsewhere in Europe: 'UK tops European league table of numbers in indefinite detention. The UK has the highest number of life-sentenced prisoners of any country in Europe, the latest edition of the Prison Reform Trust's Bromley Briefings Prison Factfile reveals.18 Dec 2018' If that's the case, you should have led with that argument rather than pretending that more prisoners means less leniency. How does Britain's sentencing guidelines compare with (say) Albania's? |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 17, 2023 12:43:04 GMT
And sentences in the UK certainly aren't shorter than elsewhere in Europe: 'UK tops European league table of numbers in indefinite detention. The UK has the highest number of life-sentenced prisoners of any country in Europe, the latest edition of the Prison Reform Trust's Bromley Briefings Prison Factfile reveals.18 Dec 2018' If that's the case, you should have led with that argument rather than pretending that more prisoners means less leniency. Right, so it's the form rather than the substance you disagree with. That's fine by me. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2023 12:44:55 GMT
If that's the case, you should have led with that argument rather than pretending that more prisoners means less leniency. Right, so it's the form rather than the substance you disagree with. That's fine by me. It was the form i reacted to. You made a bad argument. I can't let that sort of thing stand - it will worry away at me until it is corrected. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 17, 2023 12:47:35 GMT
Right, so it's the form rather than the substance you disagree with. That's fine by me. It was the form i reacted to. You made a bad argument. I can't let that sort of thing stand - it will worry away at me until it is corrected. I made my point. If it irritated you in any way, that's just a bonus. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 17, 2023 12:57:22 GMT
It was the form i reacted to. You made a bad argument. I can't let that sort of thing stand - it will worry away at me until it is corrected. I made my point. If it irritated you in any way, that's just a bonus. The error was corrected. I can rest for now. However, I fear there will be more corrections needed soon enough |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 17, 2023 13:02:01 GMT
I made my point. If it irritated you in any way, that's just a bonus. The error was corrected. I can rest for now. However, I fear there will be more corrections needed soon enough It's a comfort to know you're there for us, Mags. Meanwhile, claims that the UK criminal justice system is lenient have been shown to be patently untrue. |
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