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Post by bancroft on Nov 15, 2023 18:26:16 GMT
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 16, 2023 0:31:36 GMT
They were charged with hate crimes by THE POLISH STATE under Polish law. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 16, 2023 6:36:22 GMT
Thou shalt not question the consensus.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 16, 2023 13:46:00 GMT
Thou shalt not question the consensus.
You can hate minorities all you want, Squeaky. Nobody's trying to take that little pleasure away from you. You just can't encourage others to do it. There's a very obvious difference between criminalising thoughts and criminalising actions. I'll bet you anything you like you can't point to a single piece of legislation in the EU or Poland that criminalises mere thoughts. |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 16, 2023 14:00:24 GMT
They were charged with hate crimes by THE POLISH STATE under Polish law. That's a fair point, I guess the only question is to whether the EU jumped the gun though there is substance to their action based on Polish courts. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 16, 2023 14:14:43 GMT
Thou shalt not question the consensus.
You can hate minorities all you want, Squeaky. Nobody's trying to take that little pleasure away from you. You just can't encourage others to do it. There's a very obvious difference between criminalising thoughts and criminalising actions. I'll bet you anything you like you can't point to a single piece of legislation in the EU or Poland that criminalises mere thoughts. What about proscribed organisations? For example, it seems to be perfectly OK to follow a religion that encourages its followers to "kill the infidel" or to set up a "global caliphate" but if you set up an organisation that supports, for example, white supremacy you can be locked up even if you've done nothing. That's thought crime. But I'm not saying that it's wrong to punish thought crime - there are good arguments for punishing it. I just don't see why it's OK in a religion but not OK in a political ideology. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 16, 2023 14:40:28 GMT
You can hate minorities all you want, Squeaky. Nobody's trying to take that little pleasure away from you. You just can't encourage others to do it. There's a very obvious difference between criminalising thoughts and criminalising actions. I'll bet you anything you like you can't point to a single piece of legislation in the EU or Poland that criminalises mere thoughts. What about proscribed organisations? For example, it seems to be perfectly OK to follow a religion that encourages its followers to "kill the infidel" or to set up a "global caliphate" but if you set up an organisation that supports, for example, white supremacy you can be locked up even if you've done nothing. That's thought crime. But I'm not saying that it's wrong to punish thought crime - there are good arguments for punishing it. I just don't see why it's OK in a religion but not OK in a political ideology. Eh? What do you think a thought crime is, Snugs? Setting up an organisation is not a thought crime. A thought crime exists where merely thinking about something is a crime. If you set up an organisation, you are obviously doing more than just thinking about something. You are putting your thoughts into action. Your example has nothing to do with thought crimes. I'm not aware of any thought crimes existing anywhere. The Bible is the only place I know of that actually has anything comparable to thought 'crimes', where, for example, the mere fact of coveting something without acting on it is a sin. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 16, 2023 16:16:03 GMT
The absurdities of the EU and political correctness know no boundaries.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 16, 2023 16:47:02 GMT
The absurdities of the EU and political correctness know no boundaries. A bit like your cowardly refusal to come out from behind the ignore button, Iggy. Do you want to add a substantial argument to your chicken-shit remark? |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 16, 2023 19:14:52 GMT
Thou shalt not question the consensus.
You can hate minorities all you want, Squeaky. Nobody's trying to take that little pleasure away from you. You just can't encourage others to do it. There's a very obvious difference between criminalising thoughts and criminalising actions. I'll bet you anything you like you can't point to a single piece of legislation in the EU or Poland that criminalises mere thoughts. Thought so, Squeaky  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2023 20:02:50 GMT
The absurdities of the EU and political correctness know no boundaries. You can see why so many nutters support it. Europe is under foreign occupation. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 16, 2023 20:18:41 GMT
The absurdities of the EU and political correctness know no boundaries. You can see why so many nutters support it. Europe is under foreign occupation. That's no way to talk about 63% of the population. The EU didn't seek to prosecute anyone, as the thread title might suggest. That was Poland. There are no thought crimes anywhere in Europe. The two central planks of this thread are simply wrong. So, why not just make vague general statements instead? Safer ground, eh, B.O? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 17, 2023 8:42:52 GMT
What about proscribed organisations? For example, it seems to be perfectly OK to follow a religion that encourages its followers to "kill the infidel" or to set up a "global caliphate" but if you set up an organisation that supports, for example, white supremacy you can be locked up even if you've done nothing. That's thought crime. But I'm not saying that it's wrong to punish thought crime - there are good arguments for punishing it. I just don't see why it's OK in a religion but not OK in a political ideology. Eh? What do you think a thought crime is, Snugs? Setting up an organisation is not a thought crime. A thought crime exists where merely thinking about something is a crime. If you set up an organisation, you are obviously doing more than just thinking about something. You are putting your thoughts into action. Your example has nothing to do with thought crimes. I'm not aware of any thought crimes existing anywhere. The Bible is the only place I know of that actually has anything comparable to thought 'crimes', where, for example, the mere fact of coveting something without acting on it is a sin. The point I'm making is that ideologies are thoughts. They don't necessarily involve any action. And religions are ideologies just as political views are ideologies. Yet any political party that holds policies that would be contrary to our law if they were put into action is proscribed and any members locked up - even when they haven't done anything. But followers of a religion that holds view contrary to the law (like islam) are NOT locked up - sometimes even if the carry out the illegal acts. So there are thought crimes. |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 17, 2023 9:14:17 GMT
Eh? What do you think a thought crime is, Snugs? Setting up an organisation is not a thought crime. A thought crime exists where merely thinking about something is a crime. If you set up an organisation, you are obviously doing more than just thinking about something. You are putting your thoughts into action. Your example has nothing to do with thought crimes. I'm not aware of any thought crimes existing anywhere. The Bible is the only place I know of that actually has anything comparable to thought 'crimes', where, for example, the mere fact of coveting something without acting on it is a sin. The point I'm making is that ideologies are thoughts. They don't necessarily involve any action. And religions are ideologies just as political views are ideologies. Yet any political party that holds policies that would be contrary to our law if they were put into action is proscribed and any members locked up - even when they haven't done anything. But followers of a religion that holds view contrary to the law (like islam) are NOT locked up - sometimes even if the carry out the illegal acts. So there are thought crimes. Name one thought crime. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 17, 2023 9:26:32 GMT
Eh? What do you think a thought crime is, Snugs? Setting up an organisation is not a thought crime. A thought crime exists where merely thinking about something is a crime. If you set up an organisation, you are obviously doing more than just thinking about something. You are putting your thoughts into action. Your example has nothing to do with thought crimes. I'm not aware of any thought crimes existing anywhere. The Bible is the only place I know of that actually has anything comparable to thought 'crimes', where, for example, the mere fact of coveting something without acting on it is a sin. The point I'm making is that ideologies are thoughts. They don't necessarily involve any action. And religions are ideologies just as political views are ideologies. Yet any political party that holds policies that would be contrary to our law if they were put into action is proscribed and any members locked up - even when they haven't done anything. But followers of a religion that holds view contrary to the law (like islam) are NOT locked up - sometimes even if the carry out the illegal acts. So there are thought crimes. Islam teaches the death penalty for blasphemy, and for homosexuality, it teaches cruelty, violence and intolerance. And given the terrorism which has come from it, clearly there are problems. Those problems cannot be resolved with ignorance, but conversation. |
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