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Post by sandypine on Nov 28, 2023 20:01:17 GMT
I am not confusing anything. I was quite clear and it seems I need to repeat it. Illegal migrants, British citizenship obtained by fraud, holding camps for asylum seekers whereby the truth is expected to be the only criteria and if lying discovered no second chances. Why would removing those people be unfair? We are full of kind and honest people just we are now also full of people sick and tired being taken advantage of. I owe you an apology Sandy, I misread this Remove all illegal migrants, revoke citizenship gained through fraud or misrepresentation, build holding camps for those crossing illegally until they can prove their identity, their country and their fears with lying being immediate denial of asylum. Enforce housing laws that currently exist including multiple occupation laws.I missed the bit about " until they can prove their identity, their country and their fears" I'm so used to seeing all migrants labelled as one type that I skip read it. (incidentally skip reading is an issue with my ADHD, so I try not to do it. I often copy individual sentences into word to make sure I read them) So, sorry and with your permission can we do that bit again, see my post below. No probs. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 28, 2023 20:06:31 GMT
Remove all illegal migrants, revoke citizenship gained through fraud or misrepresentation, build holding camps for those crossing illegally until they can prove their identity, their country and their fears with lying being immediate denial of asylum. Enforce housing laws that currently exist including multiple occupation laws. Ok I agree with this treatment for illegal migrants, but do you think that would free up enough homes or are we still short? It would seem to me we must be short considering we were short in 2022 and we invited another 670,000 to come here in 2023? The idiocy of the government only exacerbates the problem. I voted for tens of thousands. Inviting ,more in is piling on the agony for everyone else, one has to suspect that it is deliberate and even the grossly irresponsible cannot get it quite so wrong |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 28, 2023 20:51:33 GMT
Ok I agree with this treatment for illegal migrants, but do you think that would free up enough homes or are we still short? It would seem to me we must be short considering we were short in 2022 and we invited another 670,000 to come here in 2023? The idiocy of the government only exacerbates the problem. I voted for tens of thousands. Inviting ,more in is piling on the agony for everyone else, one has to suspect that it is deliberate and even the grossly irresponsible cannot get it quite so wrong We both agree its deliberate, but for different reasons. But never mind that, how can it be stopped. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2023 9:37:52 GMT
The idiocy of the government only exacerbates the problem. I voted for tens of thousands. Inviting ,more in is piling on the agony for everyone else, one has to suspect that it is deliberate and even the grossly irresponsible cannot get it quite so wrong We both agree its deliberate, but for different reasons. But never mind that, how can it be stopped. By voting in a government that will stop it. Not an easy task as teh establishment and teh MSN are lined up against you, but Brexit showed that voting power is not always predictable. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 29, 2023 10:31:52 GMT
We both agree its deliberate, but for different reasons. But never mind that, how can it be stopped. By voting in a government that will stop it. Not an easy task as teh establishment and teh MSN are lined up against you, but Brexit showed that voting power is not always predictable. Stop it is all I want. Reversing it appears to be what many want. I discuss stopping it and building enough homes for those already here, but make no headway. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 29, 2023 19:38:23 GMT
By voting in a government that will stop it. Not an easy task as teh establishment and teh MSN are lined up against you, but Brexit showed that voting power is not always predictable. Stop it is all I want. Reversing it appears to be what many want. I discuss stopping it and building enough homes for those already here, but make no headway. However we are going in circles as those already here include illegal migrants and fraudulently obtained citizenship. In terms of numbers it could be over 1 million and we certainly do not want to build houses for them over our green belt, do we? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 29, 2023 20:34:00 GMT
Stop it is all I want. Reversing it appears to be what many want. I discuss stopping it and building enough homes for those already here, but make no headway. However we are going in circles as those already here include illegal migrants and fraudulently obtained citizenship. In terms of numbers it could be over 1 million and we certainly do not want to build houses for them over our green belt, do we? Did you see the debacle today. The home office have no records of what happened to anyone who withdrew their application for asylum. They have no idea how many are living here, how many have left. God knows how we are going to get them removed |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2023 15:32:45 GMT
However we are going in circles as those already here include illegal migrants and fraudulently obtained citizenship. In terms of numbers it could be over 1 million and we certainly do not want to build houses for them over our green belt, do we? Did you see the debacle today. The home office have no records of what happened to anyone who withdrew their application for asylum. They have no idea how many are living here, how many have left. God knows how we are going to get them removed We can only surmise that there is no real desire to do so. If the desire was there we could have them all mopped up and gone in a year or so. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2023 18:57:52 GMT
Did you see the debacle today. The home office have no records of what happened to anyone who withdrew their application for asylum. They have no idea how many are living here, how many have left. God knows how we are going to get them removed We can only surmise that there is no real desire to do so. If the desire was there we could have them all mopped up and gone in a year or so. No desire going forward either. They still don't record when people leave even by the obvious channels. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2023 22:14:44 GMT
We can only surmise that there is no real desire to do so. If the desire was there we could have them all mopped up and gone in a year or so. No desire going forward either. They still don't record when people leave even by the obvious channels. 15 years ago I vowed never to vote Labour again, I have now vowed never to vote for the Tories again, I vowed never to vote for the Social Democrats and that devolves on the LibDems, I am running out of options. Reform seems the choice but satisfaction is by no means guaranteed |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 5, 2023 7:54:59 GMT
No desire going forward either. They still don't record when people leave even by the obvious channels. 15 years ago I vowed never to vote Labour again, I have now vowed never to vote for the Tories again, I vowed never to vote for the Social Democrats and that devolves on the LibDems, I am running out of options. Reform seems the choice but satisfaction is by no means guaranteed If immigration is your only real issue I think you are lost. you could vote reform but that would be the same as voting Labour as far as vote counting goes. Even Nigel Farage was incandescent about EU immigration, but seems strangely quiet about the global immigration that replaced it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 8:00:38 GMT
15 years ago I vowed never to vote Labour again, I have now vowed never to vote for the Tories again, I vowed never to vote for the Social Democrats and that devolves on the LibDems, I am running out of options. Reform seems the choice but satisfaction is by no means guaranteed If immigration is your only real issue I think you are lost. you could vote reform but that would be the same as voting Labour as far as vote counting goes. Even Nigel Farage was incandescent about EU immigration, but seems strangely quiet about the global immigration that replaced it. He doesn't separate the issue, which is smart, because there is nothing to separate now that we're out of the EU. It's now controlled by the UK government. The problem is corruption within the United Kingdom mainstream parties and civil service (the aftermath of being in the EU for so long), which has ignored the people who elected the party on the mandate to reduce immigration.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 5, 2023 8:42:36 GMT
If immigration is your only real issue I think you are lost. you could vote reform but that would be the same as voting Labour as far as vote counting goes. Even Nigel Farage was incandescent about EU immigration, but seems strangely quiet about the global immigration that replaced it. He doesn't separate the issue, which is smart, because there is nothing to separate now that we're out of the EU. It's now controlled by the UK government. The problem is corruption within the United Kingdom mainstream parties and civil service (the aftermath of being in the EU for so long), which has ignored the people who elected the party on the mandate to reduce immigration.
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So is Nigel still actively campaigning against immigration since we left the EU. He doesn't appear anywhere? I'm sure you've had your quota of reporting for this year.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 8:46:38 GMT
He doesn't separate the issue, which is smart, because there is nothing to separate now that we're out of the EU. It's now controlled by the UK government. The problem is corruption within the United Kingdom mainstream parties and civil service (the aftermath of being in the EU for so long), which has ignored the people who elected the party on the mandate to reduce immigration.
You can report this post if it's inconvenient.
So is Nigel still actively campaigning against immigration since we left the EU. He doesn't appear anywhere? I'm sure you've had your quota of reporting for this year. He's always compaigning for the UK. He was never against immigration, he wants a controlled system which leads to a vastly reduced number of useless Hamas supporter types.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 5, 2023 8:49:28 GMT
Wasn't Nige recently filmed manning a one-man observation post somewhere on the South Coast? I agree he would probably have been more useful waving placards in the arrivals hall at Heathrow but big things can from little acorns grow.
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