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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 14:09:11 GMT
Trust me, in the sense of using your own intelligence to ask why any company would not charge the most they could. I literally explained why its more difficult for a single country. By all means challenge what I said, but don't act like I didn't say it. To clarify, Is your idea to force the British to buy food grown here at whatever cost by preventing them buying food from abroad? As I keep explaining if tariffs are part of the process in ensuring British workers are encouraged to take a job then that may need to be done. The most important point is to get British workers into jobs and stop the endless cycle of mass immigration that may be 'good for teh economy' but is a disaster for the country. That does not mean any specific action has to be taken but circumstances will dictate the measures necessary. Food is a basic necessity it is idiotic to rely on foreign producers for basics. Most especially when that is part of the process of destroying our country. Cool. I was just confirming because folks on here have a habit of implying something and then when challenged on the detail claiming they never made the claim. So I'm happy with this, though I think simply allowing the public to buy imported food might be an easier sell than forcing them to buy expensive food cropped by overpaid reluctant British workers. Personally I don't believe the immigration of half a million people a year has much to do with existing jobs, but the creation of new ones to continually grow GDP to meet next years tax bills. To my mind that is the cycle we need to break. If we could balance our tax and revenue without increasing GDP I would be very happy. If extra GDP came from innovation rather than population growth I would be happier still. Moving on. What would you do about the current population regarding housing and infrastrucutre. Which has not kept pace. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 18:24:59 GMT
As I keep explaining if tariffs are part of the process in ensuring British workers are encouraged to take a job then that may need to be done. The most important point is to get British workers into jobs and stop the endless cycle of mass immigration that may be 'good for teh economy' but is a disaster for the country. That does not mean any specific action has to be taken but circumstances will dictate the measures necessary. Food is a basic necessity it is idiotic to rely on foreign producers for basics. Most especially when that is part of the process of destroying our country. Cool. I was just confirming because folks on here have a habit of implying something and then when challenged on the detail claiming they never made the claim. So I'm happy with this, though I think simply allowing the public to buy imported food might be an easier sell than forcing them to buy expensive food cropped by overpaid reluctant British workers. Personally I don't believe the immigration of half a million people a year has much to do with existing jobs, but the creation of new ones to continually grow GDP to meet next years tax bills. To my mind that is the cycle we need to break. If we could balance our tax and revenue without increasing GDP I would be very happy. If extra GDP came from innovation rather than population growth I would be happier still. Moving on. What would you do about the current population regarding housing and infrastrucutre. Which has not kept pace. Remove all illegal migrants, revoke citizenship gained through fraud or misrepresentation, build holding camps for those crossing illegally until they can prove their identity, their country and their fears with lying being immediate denial of asylum. Enforce housing laws that currently exist including multiple occupation laws. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 19:26:52 GMT
Cool. I was just confirming because folks on here have a habit of implying something and then when challenged on the detail claiming they never made the claim. So I'm happy with this, though I think simply allowing the public to buy imported food might be an easier sell than forcing them to buy expensive food cropped by overpaid reluctant British workers. Personally I don't believe the immigration of half a million people a year has much to do with existing jobs, but the creation of new ones to continually grow GDP to meet next years tax bills. To my mind that is the cycle we need to break. If we could balance our tax and revenue without increasing GDP I would be very happy. If extra GDP came from innovation rather than population growth I would be happier still. Moving on. What would you do about the current population regarding housing and infrastrucutre. Which has not kept pace. Remove all illegal migrants, revoke citizenship gained through fraud or misrepresentation, build holding camps for those crossing illegally until they can prove their identity, their country and their fears with lying being immediate denial of asylum. Enforce housing laws that currently exist including multiple occupation laws. I wont touch on my opinions of treating people like this. I will focus instead on the fact that these people represent a teeny tiny number of those requiring homes. to put some flesh on the bones. Asylum seekers 2023 97,000. Estimate for undocumented citizens around 800,000. Asylum seekers pretty small number, most in temporary accommodation. Undocumented, good luck finding them. Legal migrants in the last decade. 4 million? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 21:35:36 GMT
Remove all illegal migrants, revoke citizenship gained through fraud or misrepresentation, build holding camps for those crossing illegally until they can prove their identity, their country and their fears with lying being immediate denial of asylum. Enforce housing laws that currently exist including multiple occupation laws. I wont touch on my opinions of treating people like this. I will focus instead on the fact that these people represent a teeny tiny number of those requiring homes. to put some flesh on the bones. Asylum seekers 2023 97,000. Estimate for undocumented citizens around 800,000. Asylum seekers pretty small number, most in temporary accommodation. Undocumented, good luck finding them. Legal migrants in the last decade. 4 million? Like what, like lawbreakers? Fraud is a crime, overstaying a visa is illegal. Do you think people should benefit from crime and illegal acts? The fraud comes into the 4 million. Someone barnstorms your house and sets up home in your spare bedroom needs that space. Even if it took ten years you will still oust him even if he has taken a wife and has a family. A country is no different it is basically a large house the right to residence of which is a legal judgement. Easy enough to find undocumented people they are found all the time but they cannot be detained, it is an absolute nonsense. The fact our governments ignore what they promise as regards immigration is a very sore point with a great number of people and unless they take cognizance and action it will all end in tears. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 27, 2023 21:58:09 GMT
I wont touch on my opinions of treating people like this. I will focus instead on the fact that these people represent a teeny tiny number of those requiring homes. to put some flesh on the bones. Asylum seekers 2023 97,000. Estimate for undocumented citizens around 800,000. Asylum seekers pretty small number, most in temporary accommodation. Undocumented, good luck finding them. Legal migrants in the last decade. 4 million? Like someone escaping war and death trying to get to a country they have been told is full of honest kind lawful people. Those ones, asylum seekers. Why do you see only the bad side of these people. That's why I said I would bother with that part. I knew you had no compassion for these people. So lets stick to the rest of it. Really? There are massive fines for businesses that employ illegal migrants. So I guess you mean they can wander around the country starving? Or maybe they are filthy rich and just stay here cos they like it? Agreed, but stop confusing those invited with those not. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 27, 2023 22:08:08 GMT
Like someone escaping war and death trying to get to a country they have been told is full of honest kind lawful people. Those ones, asylum seekers. Why do you see only the bad side of these people. That's why I said I would bother with that part. I knew you had no compassion for these people. So lets stick to the rest of it. Really? There are massive fines for businesses that employ illegal migrants. So I guess you mean they can wander around the country starving? Or maybe they are filthy rich and just stay here cos they like it? Agreed, but stop confusing those invited with those not. I am not confusing anything. I was quite clear and it seems I need to repeat it. Illegal migrants, British citizenship obtained by fraud, holding camps for asylum seekers whereby the truth is expected to be the only criteria and if lying discovered no second chances. Why would removing those people be unfair? We are full of kind and honest people just we are now also full of people sick and tired being taken advantage of. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 27, 2023 22:32:50 GMT
I saw an interesting proposition earlier - to deal with the illegal migrants arriving in rubber boats we should pick them all up in mid-Channel, transfer them to a cruise ship, sail that cruise ship to Ascension Island, and process any that apply for asylum there. No illegal should set foot on the mainland of the UK.
I'm struggling to see what the negative would be.
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 28, 2023 7:25:07 GMT
Mme D and oneself often remark to each other on how fortunate we were to have had our formative years in the 1950s and 1960s. The missus and I say the same about the 90s. In my experience nearly everyone thinks the time when they were young was the best of times. There's an obvious reason for that, they were young, in peak physical condition with their whole lives ahead of them, none of the baggage of adulthood like failed relationships, career missteps etc. Naturally the world seemed like a more optimistic place. Things weren't better then, you were. Nostalgia is a seductive lie. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 28, 2023 7:36:45 GMT
I am not confusing anything. I was quite clear and it seems I need to repeat it. Illegal migrants, British citizenship obtained by fraud, holding camps for asylum seekers whereby the truth is expected to be the only criteria and if lying discovered no second chances. Why would removing those people be unfair? We are full of kind and honest people just we are now also full of people sick and tired being taken advantage of. I owe you an apology Sandy, I misread this Remove all illegal migrants, revoke citizenship gained through fraud or misrepresentation, build holding camps for those crossing illegally until they can prove their identity, their country and their fears with lying being immediate denial of asylum. Enforce housing laws that currently exist including multiple occupation laws.I missed the bit about " until they can prove their identity, their country and their fears" I'm so used to seeing all migrants labelled as one type that I skip read it. (incidentally skip reading is an issue with my ADHD, so I try not to do it. I often copy individual sentences into word to make sure I read them) So, sorry and with your permission can we do that bit again, see my post below. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 28, 2023 7:39:21 GMT
Cool. I was just confirming because folks on here have a habit of implying something and then when challenged on the detail claiming they never made the claim. So I'm happy with this, though I think simply allowing the public to buy imported food might be an easier sell than forcing them to buy expensive food cropped by overpaid reluctant British workers. Personally I don't believe the immigration of half a million people a year has much to do with existing jobs, but the creation of new ones to continually grow GDP to meet next years tax bills. To my mind that is the cycle we need to break. If we could balance our tax and revenue without increasing GDP I would be very happy. If extra GDP came from innovation rather than population growth I would be happier still. Moving on. What would you do about the current population regarding housing and infrastrucutre. Which has not kept pace. Remove all illegal migrants, revoke citizenship gained through fraud or misrepresentation, build holding camps for those crossing illegally until they can prove their identity, their country and their fears with lying being immediate denial of asylum. Enforce housing laws that currently exist including multiple occupation laws. Ok I agree with this treatment for illegal migrants, but do you think that would free up enough homes or are we still short? It would seem to me we must be short considering we were short in 2022 and we invited another 670,000 to come here in 2023? |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 28, 2023 11:05:16 GMT
I saw an interesting proposition earlier - to deal with the illegal migrants arriving in rubber boats we should pick them all up in mid-Channel, transfer them to a cruise ship, sail that cruise ship to Ascension Island, and process any that apply for asylum there. No illegal should set foot on the mainland of the UK. I'm struggling to see what the negative would be. There's air strips on Scottish islands build processing facilities on them, use them and then see what happens. Any who fail can be flown out of the country, without disappearing into the black market. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 28, 2023 11:18:28 GMT
The negative is that Uncle Sam wouldn't like it. The last thing the Yanks will want is to share an small island housing billions of dollars worth of space telemetry and GPS gear with thousands of angry Muslims.
It won't happen.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 28, 2023 14:08:04 GMT
I think we could pretty much all agree to some form of imprisonment if we felt those deserving help might actually get processed in a reasonable time.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 28, 2023 15:29:15 GMT
Mme D and oneself often remark to each other on how fortunate we were to have had our formative years in the 1950s and 1960s. The missus and I say the same about the 90s. In my experience nearly everyone thinks the time when they were young was the best of times. There's an obvious reason for that, they were young, in peak physical condition with their whole lives ahead of them, none of the baggage of adulthood like failed relationships, career missteps etc. Naturally the world seemed like a more optimistic place. Things weren't better then, you were. Nostalgia is a seductive lie. Great. The next time someone says that that the baby boomers had it easier than todays young people, I’ll let you explain how wrong they are 👍 |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 28, 2023 15:51:55 GMT
The missus and I say the same about the 90s. In my experience nearly everyone thinks the time when they were young was the best of times. There's an obvious reason for that, they were young, in peak physical condition with their whole lives ahead of them, none of the baggage of adulthood like failed relationships, career missteps etc. Naturally the world seemed like a more optimistic place. Things weren't better then, you were. Nostalgia is a seductive lie. Great. The next time someone says that that the baby boomers has it easier than todays young people, I’ll let you explain how wrong they are 👍 Ouch. |
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