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Post by Bentley on Nov 6, 2023 19:13:29 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 6, 2023 20:13:07 GMT
Just watched it, and yes it is interesting. I mentioned a while back that over a pint in the local someone mentioned he had a heat pump fitted a couple of years previously. My curiosity was aroused and to cut a long chat short, he said his heat pump worked well in the summer, but he had to have a woodburner fitted because during the winter months the heat pump was absolutely useless. The folly of heat pumps in this country is yet to be fully realised. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 6, 2023 20:17:36 GMT
Indeed. The video is pretty balanced, as I would expect with skill builder.
Imo the lesson is that a hybrid gas / heat pump system is best …as Handyman has ..lbut isn’t subsidised by the state .
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Post by sandypine on Nov 6, 2023 20:35:31 GMT
Just watched it, and yes it is interesting. I mentioned a while back that over a pint in the local someone mentioned he had a heat pump fitted a couple of years previously. My curiosity was aroused and to cut a long chat short, he said his heat pump worked well in the summer, but he had to have a woodburner fitted because during the winter months the heat pump was absolutely useless. The folly of heat pumps in this country is yet to be fully realised. We have a multifuel stove on which we use mainly wood and which does the hot water and the central heating which was fitted about 20 years ago. A few weeks ago the boiler sprung a leak and I cannot get it repaired by any professional stove people as it now against the new regulations to repair them. I cannot get a replacement multifuel unit as none now comply. We have had to isolate the heating system and vent the empty boiler and use the stove, on which all our cooking is also done, as just a room heater. Fortunately we can get heat upstairs and round the house through the open doors and judicious use of kettles on the stove keeps our hot water although we can use the immerser for a bath. The annoying thing is I can get a spare boiler but after spending five hours they seem to have laid several traps as regards studs on castings so that only trained personnel know the correct sequence without causing further damage. I did look at heat pumps a few years back and came to the conclusion they would be expensive to use here as although it is a coastal area so not too cold the wind that blows from some directions takes the heat right out of the house no matter what you do. Needless to say we are not fans of net zero nor of PM2.5 restrictions as the local farmers are setting light to all sorts of things with no comeback whatsoever. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 6, 2023 20:46:20 GMT
Just watched it, and yes it is interesting. I mentioned a while back that over a pint in the local someone mentioned he had a heat pump fitted a couple of years previously. My curiosity was aroused and to cut a long chat short, he said his heat pump worked well in the summer, but he had to have a woodburner fitted because during the winter months the heat pump was absolutely useless. The folly of heat pumps in this country is yet to be fully realised. And yet they seem to be quite popular on the continent, even in some of the chillier parts. What might account for that, do you think?
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Post by Vinny on Nov 6, 2023 20:51:35 GMT
Ground sourced heat pumps can work extremely well, BUT, it requires a lot of ground.
Air sourced heat pumps, no.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 6, 2023 20:54:09 GMT
Just watched it, and yes it is interesting. I mentioned a while back that over a pint in the local someone mentioned he had a heat pump fitted a couple of years previously. My curiosity was aroused and to cut a long chat short, he said his heat pump worked well in the summer, but he had to have a woodburner fitted because during the winter months the heat pump was absolutely useless. The folly of heat pumps in this country is yet to be fully realised. We have a multifuel stove on which we use mainly wood and which does the hot water and the central heating which was fitted about 20 years ago. A few weeks ago the boiler sprung a leak and I cannot get it repaired by any professional stove people as it now against the new regulations to repair them. I cannot get a replacement multifuel unit as none now comply. We have had to isolate the heating system and vent the empty boiler and use the stove, on which all our cooking is also done, as just a room heater. Fortunately we can get heat upstairs and round the house through the open doors and judicious use of kettles on the stove keeps our hot water although we can use the immerser for a bath. The annoying thing is I can get a spare boiler but after spending five hours they seem to have laid several traps as regards studs on castings so that only trained personnel know the correct sequence without causing further damage. I did look at heat pumps a few years back and came to the conclusion they would be expensive to use here as although it is a coastal area so not too cold the wind that blows from some directions takes the heat right out of the house no matter what you do. Needless to say we are not fans of net zero nor of PM2.5 restrictions as the local farmers are setting light to all sorts of things with no comeback whatsoever. Incredible, so your boiler 'could be' repaired, but it's against eco regs! It's mad, what an absolute cock up. Couldn't you pay someone a few quid to do it on the QT? I sympathise. We had a multifuel stove in our previous house and it was very good, it wasn't plumbed into the central heating but due to the chimney running through the centre of the house rather than being on a gable end or outside wall it heated the house very well even during the coldest of winters, and looked really nice at Christmas. Yes indeed, that stove was very good. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 6, 2023 21:01:46 GMT
Just watched it, and yes it is interesting. I mentioned a while back that over a pint in the local someone mentioned he had a heat pump fitted a couple of years previously. My curiosity was aroused and to cut a long chat short, he said his heat pump worked well in the summer, but he had to have a woodburner fitted because during the winter months the heat pump was absolutely useless. The folly of heat pumps in this country is yet to be fully realised. And yet they seem to be quite popular on the continent, even in some of the chillier parts. What might account for that, do you think? Dan, it was pointed out in the link that many people discover after they have had a heat pump fitted, it was a bad choice. The number of units sold does not equate to efficiency or customer satisfaction, particularly in this country. If a heat pump is sold a box is ticked with no follow up data collected. Perhaps this is intentional. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 6, 2023 21:03:47 GMT
We have a multifuel stove on which we use mainly wood and which does the hot water and the central heating which was fitted about 20 years ago. A few weeks ago the boiler sprung a leak and I cannot get it repaired by any professional stove people as it now against the new regulations to repair them. I cannot get a replacement multifuel unit as none now comply. We have had to isolate the heating system and vent the empty boiler and use the stove, on which all our cooking is also done, as just a room heater. Fortunately we can get heat upstairs and round the house through the open doors and judicious use of kettles on the stove keeps our hot water although we can use the immerser for a bath. The annoying thing is I can get a spare boiler but after spending five hours they seem to have laid several traps as regards studs on castings so that only trained personnel know the correct sequence without causing further damage. I did look at heat pumps a few years back and came to the conclusion they would be expensive to use here as although it is a coastal area so not too cold the wind that blows from some directions takes the heat right out of the house no matter what you do. Needless to say we are not fans of net zero nor of PM2.5 restrictions as the local farmers are setting light to all sorts of things with no comeback whatsoever. Incredible, so your boiler 'could be' repaired, but it's against eco regs! It's mad, what an absolute cock up. Couldn't you pay someone a few quid to do it on the QT? I sympathise. We had a multifuel stove in our previous house and it was very good, it wasn't plumbed into the central heating but due to the chimney running through the centre of the house rather than being on a gable end or outside wall it heated the house very well even during the coldest of winters, and looked really nice at Christmas. Yes indeed, that stove was very good. We are a rural area so finding plumbers is a bit tricky at the best of times, I have to be well insured for most small things. The stove is the heart of the home, we have an upside down house so kitchen and bedrooms are downstairs with living room upstairs. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 6, 2023 21:13:56 GMT
Two things stood out to me .
One was that the heat pump began to get noisy after a while and the other was that heat pumps don’t seem to suit our fluctuating temperature.
Heat pumps are more suitable for the British weather where it’s cold today and warm tomorrow.
Anyone who saw the video could see the amount of equipment there. I noticed how bulky they were when I looked at a new build in Suffolk .
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 6, 2023 21:34:39 GMT
Two things stood out to me . One was that the heat pump began to get noisy after a while and the other was that heat pumps don’t seem to suit our fluctuating temperature. Heat pumps are more suitable for the British weather where it’s cold today and warm tomorrow. Anyone who saw the video could see the amount of equipment there. I noticed how bulky they were when I looked at a new build in Suffolk . As the chap in the vid said, Finland is always used as an example because during the winter it's colder than in the UK. But as was pointed out, it's also drier. In the UK we tend to have cold wet winters and it seems heat pumps prefer cold and dry, to cold and wet. Plus of course, I doubt Finland has many Victorian properties. In the UK there are c10 million houses built before WW1 that are unsuitable for heat pumps. I have every confidence that in 20 years time things will have changed, generally tech improves with time. Whether heat pumps improve enough to make them popular is of course, another question. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 6, 2023 22:09:50 GMT
And yet they seem to be quite popular on the continent, even in some of the chillier parts. What might account for that, do you think? Dan, it was pointed out in the link that many people discover after they have had a heat pump fitted, it was a bad choice. The number of units sold does not equate to efficiency or customer satisfaction, particularly in this country. If a heat pump is sold a box is ticked with no follow up data collected. Perhaps this is intentional. Well I must say that our own experience is closer to the continental norm that the British one as far as heat pump satisfaction is concerned.
When we had our new house built in 2017 we specified two air-to-water heat pumps and thus far at least we are completely satisfied.
I offer this testimony as a counterpart to that provided by your acquaintance.
Perhaps it might be a matter of specifying the right equipment for the job and not cheese-paring when it comes to the necessary investment which British builders (and buyers) are notoriously famous for.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2023 22:36:14 GMT
Dan, it was pointed out in the link that many people discover after they have had a heat pump fitted, it was a bad choice. The number of units sold does not equate to efficiency or customer satisfaction, particularly in this country. If a heat pump is sold a box is ticked with no follow up data collected. Perhaps this is intentional. Well I must say that our own experience is closer to the continental norm that the British one as far as heat pump satisfaction is concerned. When we had our new house built in 2017.... There is your answer. The UK has some of the oldest housing stock in Europe and even the manufactures of the heat pumps have said that this technology is unsuitable for a significant sector of UK housing. |
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Post by morayloon on Nov 6, 2023 23:31:44 GMT
I had air source heating installed in the summer of 2022. The winter months were no problem. Of course that's not to say things won't go wrong in the coming years. I live in hope though.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 7, 2023 10:37:44 GMT
Well I must say that our own experience is closer to the continental norm that the British one as far as heat pump satisfaction is concerned. When we had our new house built in 2017.... There is your answer. The UK has some of the oldest housing stock in Europe and even the manufactures of the heat pumps have said that this technology is unsuitable for a significant sector of UK housing. It might be more accurate to state that a significant sector of UK housing is unsuited for 21st century living (and not just older stock).
Perhaps that's the problem that needs to be solved first.
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