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Post by wapentake on Nov 6, 2023 23:08:27 GMT
Scottish law,Rochdale is in the north but not Scotland.   |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 6, 2023 23:12:49 GMT
Scottish law,Rochdale is in the north but not Scotland. English Law gives the local council a say in banning marches as they do in Scotland. In fact you cannot ban any march without the support of the local council. |
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Post by wapentake on Nov 6, 2023 23:26:06 GMT
Scottish law,Rochdale is in the north but not Scotland. English Law gives the local council a say in banning marches as they do in Scotland. In fact you cannot ban any march without the support of the local council. Not true police can do just that with only reference to themselves |
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 6, 2023 23:43:28 GMT
Monte
I'm not sure GB News have got that right, in that wapentake's link (p1) show's that the 'activist's were in town holding their rally during the daylight hours of Saturday, while RR's Daily Express link (p3) informs us that the flags did not appear until Sunday. Does that not add credibility to the Council's assertion that wreaths might have blown over rather than have been 'stripped by activists'. In addition, high winds on Saturday night could have dislodged the wreaths, while also blowing discarded flags into the vicinity of the cenotaph, but leaving them handily placed for kids to reposition them on Sunday morning?
It would also cast doubt on suggestions that both flags and wreaths were in place simultaneously, and that somehow the flags were unmoved by the winds whereas the wreaths took a tumble.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 7, 2023 0:02:55 GMT
Monte I'm not sure GB News have got that right, in that wapentake's link (p1) show's that the 'activist's were in town holding their rally during the daylight hours of Saturday, while RR's Daily Express link (p3) informs us that the flags did not appear until Sunday. Does that not add credibility to the Council's assertion that wreaths might have blown over rather than have been 'stripped by activists'. In addition, high winds on Saturday night could have dislodged the wreaths, while also blowing discarded flags into the vicinity of the cenotaph, but leaving them handily placed for kids to reposition them on Sunday morning? It would also cast doubt on suggestions that both flags and wreaths were in place simultaneously, and that somehow the flags were unmoved by the winds whereas the wreaths took a tumble. Hutchyns, you appear to be overlooking the fact that Palestinian flags were on a British war memorial, in England. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 7, 2023 0:29:22 GMT
RR On the basis that the Council 'confirms' that the flags were left there by children. Children of what age ? ... would they know that they are Palestinian flags, or that some people might label it a 'bad' flag ?. and depending on the age of the kids, would they grasp the full significance of a War Memorial or why a coloured flag wouldn't be considered an enhancement ? It's unfortunate, but even for a Council that takes pride in, and recognises the importance of War memorials, such as the Rochdale Authority does, it's the very time of year that you don't want these memorials fenced off. But if the kids have had their wrists slapped, and a note has been made to secure the wreaths more firmly next year, I don't see that Rochdale Council's strong links with the Armed Forces community deserves to suffer any lasting damage.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 7, 2023 0:52:52 GMT
Hutchyns, for goodness sake man get a grip. The vast majority of Rochdale council are Muslim, which is why when asked about Palestinian flags on a British war memorial 'in England', they shrugged it off, just kids. And when asked if the wreaths were going to be replaced they declined to comment.
Can you for a moment, think of any Islamic country in the world where a non Islamic council would even be allowed to exist let alone be allowed to disregard and disgrace local traditions and customs. I cant...
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Post by jonksy on Nov 7, 2023 1:43:47 GMT
Why are you blaming the council Red? They didn't remove the wreaths. They allowed the protest. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 7, 2023 1:48:25 GMT
Monte, is it groundhog day? GB News contacted the council who said the wreaths were removed because of high winds. When asked if the wreaths would be replaced the council refused to comment. When asked about the Palestinian flags, the council played it down and said it was down to children. The pic you posted and more, is in the link in the OP. ffs Red. That is not what they said. ''the wreaths were being blown around due to high winds, but are now secure.'' They didn't remove them. What does is say under the video clip in the article you posted but clearly misunderstood? Why was it the palastine flags never blew away? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 7, 2023 1:50:02 GMT
They are on the ground. Either blown there or thrown there by whoever put the flags there. They must get some strong winds in Rochdale...  Funny how it never blew the flags away tho. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 7, 2023 1:51:37 GMT
Monte I'm not sure GB News have got that right, in that wapentake's link (p1) show's that the 'activist's were in town holding their rally during the daylight hours of Saturday, while RR's Daily Express link (p3) informs us that the flags did not appear until Sunday. Does that not add credibility to the Council's assertion that wreaths might have blown over rather than have been 'stripped by activists'. In addition, high winds on Saturday night could have dislodged the wreaths, while also blowing discarded flags into the vicinity of the cenotaph, but leaving them handily placed for kids to reposition them on Sunday morning? It would also cast doubt on suggestions that both flags and wreaths were in place simultaneously, and that somehow the flags were unmoved by the winds whereas the wreaths took a tumble. Hutchyns, you appear to be overlooking the fact that fact that Palestinian flags were on a war memorial. Which never blew away. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 7, 2023 7:45:17 GMT
English Law gives the local council a say in banning marches as they do in Scotland. In fact you cannot ban any march without the support of the local council. Not true police can do just that with only reference to themselves
There is a power under section 13 of the Public Order Act 1986 to ban marches outright. A Chief Constable can only decide to do this if he/she has grounds to believe that imposing conditions will not be enough to prevent the march leading to serious public disorder. His/her decision must also be approved by the local council (unless the march is in London) and, in all cases, the Home Secretary. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 7, 2023 8:04:46 GMT
The grooming gang capital, Rochdale where Palestinian flags are placed on a British cenotaph.
Let that sink in.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 7, 2023 9:04:01 GMT
Not true police can do just that with only reference to themselves
There is a power under section 13 of the Public Order Act 1986 to ban marches outright. A Chief Constable can only decide to do this if he/she has grounds to believe that imposing conditions will not be enough to prevent the march leading to serious public disorder. His/her decision must also be approved by the local council (unless the march is in London) and, in all cases, the Home Secretary. Whilst that is true it still doesn’t validate your original point that the council could ban the protest. Deuce |
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Post by Hutchyns on Nov 7, 2023 10:03:27 GMT
RR Alternatively, they didn't shrug it off, and even when their initial inquiries led them to believe it was 'just kids', they'd have additionally 'confirmed' this via CCTV in order to give the detailed information that not only was it 'just kids', but kids who had been taking photographs on the monument. As for declining to comment on the 'are the wreaths going to be replaced' question, my guess is that as far as Rochdale BC were aware, all the wreaths were in position and securely held in place by cable ties ....... and so declined to comment rather than admit that it was the first they'd heard of the wreaths being removed. Not that GB News would necessarily have been aware that their question needed to be posed to Greater Manchester Police rather than to Rochdale BC Supposition based on info posted by originator of video used in opening post link to GB News.  |
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