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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 18:13:35 GMT
What are they trying to hide?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 18:41:08 GMT
WhatsApp is used far too much by government agencies. They should have their own system which is backed up onto Gov servers.
Why should Mark Zuckerberg have access to all the private conversations? They say all conversations are end to end encrypted, but that doesn't mean WhatsApp (Facebook) cannot decode them.
Also anything can be screenshot.
Most phones back up WhatsApp messages to either Google, Apple or other servers and the backups can be retrieved sometimes - are the backups encrypted, as far as I know, backups are not encrypted by default, but can be by choice.
So we may never know what they wanted to hide, but you can be sure that, being politicians they are covering their own backs.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 18:45:11 GMT
It gets murkier...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 10:26:58 GMT
WhatsApp is used far too much by government agencies. They should have their own system which is backed up onto Gov servers.Why should Mark Zuckerberg have access to all the private conversations? They say all conversations are end to end encrypted, but that doesn't mean WhatsApp (Facebook) cannot decode them. Also anything can be screenshot. Most phones back up WhatsApp messages to either Google, Apple or other servers and the backups can be retrieved sometimes - are the backups encrypted, as far as I know, backups are not encrypted by default, but can be by choice. So we may never know what they wanted to hide, but you can be sure that, being politicians they are covering their own backs. A similar situation existed with Apple where Trump was demanding they allow them to decrypt the phones of terror groups. Once the ball is rolling encryption becomes pointless and the corporation loses their sales pitch.
Going by how government is so totalitarian in our social affairs I'm surprised they haven't made encryption illegal, like it is in some other countries. I guess this is why, corruption and treason at the top.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2023 7:41:24 GMT
Good letter in todays paper suggesting a reason for the cover up - will we ever know?
SIR – I hope that the deleted WhatsApp messages about Covid from Scottish government ministers (“Come clean over Covid WhatsApps, Sturgeon told”, report, October 28) would have revealed why they chose to diverge from UK guidance.
I could imagine messages along the lines of: “How can we be different from Boris?” or “How could we embarrass Boris?” What I find harder to imagine is the discussion about the wisdom of placing untested elderly people into care homes.
Perhaps the judge-led inquiry will concentrate minds. However, for the families who lost relatives, I fear there is little chance of the truth being uncovered without the WhatsApp messages. As a Scot, I am once again embarrassed by the conduct of my home country.
Brian Barbour
Berwick-upon-Tweed, Northumberland
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Post by thomas on Oct 31, 2023 7:53:07 GMT
Good letter in todays paper suggesting a reason for the cover up - will we ever know? SIR – I hope that the deleted WhatsApp messages about Covid from Scottish government ministers (“Come clean over Covid WhatsApps, Sturgeon told”, report, October 28) would have revealed why they chose to diverge from UK guidance.
I could imagine messages along the lines of: “How can we be different from Boris?” or “How could we embarrass Boris?” What I find harder to imagine is the discussion about the wisdom of placing untested elderly people into care homes.
Perhaps the judge-led inquiry will concentrate minds. However, for the families who lost relatives, I fear there is little chance of the truth being uncovered without the WhatsApp messages. As a Scot, I am once again embarrassed by the conduct of my home country.
Brian Barbour
Berwick-upon-Tweed, NorthumberlandAs you know pacifico , i cant stand sturgeon .
Can i ask though whats the issue with deleting whatsapp messages , when it was the official policy of your government in london as well?
Westmisnter Cabinet policy obliges ministers to delete instant messages
Ministers and civil servants are required by policy to set instant messaging chats to delete automatically, it has been revealed, as a judicial review over the government’s use of self-destructing messages was given the go-ahead.
The not-profit organisation the Citizens says the use of disappearing messages, which has been described as “government by WhatsApp�?, violates British law on public records and freedom of information.
Its legal challenge comes amid concerns that the likes of WhatsApp and Signal, which have a disappearing messages option, are being used to avoid scrutiny of decision-making processes, including on significant issues such as the government’s coronavirus response.web.archive.org/web/20231030093608/https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/oct/12/cabinet-policy-ministers-delete-whatsapp-messages |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2023 8:20:39 GMT
So what was the purpose in assuring the people of Scotland that they would hand over messages?..
...were you being conned again?
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2023 18:11:00 GMT
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Post by thomas on Nov 1, 2023 8:35:03 GMT
So what was the purpose in assuring the people of Scotland that they would hand over messages?.. ...were you being conned again? No government in the world as far as i know uses a platform like whatsapp to make key decisions .If in the unfortunate instance policy is discussed for whatever reason over these unofficial platforms , then according to my earlier example the brit government for example among many others require that ministers delete instant messages.
so the story is that certain brit nat newspapers , going from innuendo to speculation , nothing more , have suggested certain individuals may have deleted whatsapp messages.
I say again i dont like sturgeon , and my personal belief is she has betrayed the scottish indy movement for whatever reasons unknown as yet. I will though reserve my judegment on her until the facts come out , rather than the kangaroo court of the brit nat media.
No according to your man above , she assured the media she would hand over information including any messages. She has done so , if you read down various articles , including a 200 page document .
The only people in scotland who are being conned are those that believe the lies of the british , to keep scotland in thrall as one of englands few remaining colonies.
Nicola sturgeon seems to have been an asset for the union , and has done everything in her power to retain the status quo. Are you being conned into attacking a british establishment asset to maintain the union?
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Post by om15 on Nov 1, 2023 9:13:53 GMT
That statement is so monstrously absurd that I'm sure you make up this nonsense to get a rise from us. Sturgeon has made a far better job of destroying Scottish Independence than anyone in Westminster could have done, but that is all history now.
You must look forward to the new Scottish Caliphate, two million Muslims on their way on the invitation of your First Minister, you will have to watch what you say now, they won't be so easy going as the English, hijabs for all the quines soon.
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Post by thomas on Nov 1, 2023 10:36:38 GMT
That statement is so monstrously absurd that I'm sure you make up this nonsense to get a rise from us. Sturgeon has made a far better job of destroying Scottish Independence than anyone in Westminster could have done, but that is all history now. You must look forward to the new Scottish Caliphate, two million Muslims on their way on the invitation of your First Minister, you will have to watch what you say now, they won't be so easy going as the English, hijabs for all the quines soon. lmfao.
the statement is so monstrously absurd in your opinion 65 countries around the world thought the same , rebelled against the london elite and their puppets in said countries and ejected the british from their colonies. We are in good company.
did you actually read the bit where i said as much above to pacifico? Tell your fellow countryman that. He , and his brit nat media friends , seem to think it a great attack angle on scottish indy supporters by attacking a person i believe was a main political asset to unionism.
You need to read what im writiing ommy , not what you think im writing.
This must be another recurring fantasy nightmare you seem to have ommy. Not only in that deluded fantasy universe of tory fibs that you inhabit , are you worried desperately that scotland is going to leeave your "union" , but on top of that , you are then worried about the fact your country famously cant control its borders and are worried about the hordes of islam invading englands green and pleasant land. Ommy , wake up mate.
A long line of british prime ministers have already realised your nightmare. Humza coudlnt lace their mass uncontrolled migration boots.
I dont think hadrians wall is your problem ommy. Its your southern border where the friends of the people smugglers , like rishi sunak and keirs starmer ,are doing their level best to let all and sundry into your nation.
Peace be upon you ommy.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 1, 2023 12:44:53 GMT
Disgraceful behaviour from Thickie Sturgeon.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 1, 2023 22:41:48 GMT
So what was the purpose in assuring the people of Scotland that they would hand over messages?.. ...were you being conned again? No government in the world as far as i know uses a platform like whatsapp to make key decisions .If in the unfortunate instance policy is discussed for whatever reason over these unofficial platforms , then according to my earlier example the brit government for example among many others require that ministers delete instant messages. so the story is that certain brit nat newspapers , going from innuendo to speculation , nothing more , have suggested certain individuals may have deleted whatsapp messages. So where are all the messages? - they have not been handed over to the enquiry (as was promised) and Sturgeon refuses to confirm they were deleted - so where have they gone? What are they hiding? |
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2023 8:57:42 GMT
No government in the world as far as i know uses a platform like whatsapp to make key decisions .If in the unfortunate instance policy is discussed for whatever reason over these unofficial platforms , then according to my earlier example the brit government for example among many others require that ministers delete instant messages. so the story is that certain brit nat newspapers , going from innuendo to speculation , nothing more , have suggested certain individuals may have deleted whatsapp messages. So where are all the messages? - they have not been handed over to the enquiry (as was promised) and Sturgeon refuses to confirm they were deleted - so where have they gone? What are they hiding? What is who hiding? You talk as though its the whole scottish government.
Kate forbes has kept all her messages according to reports , and has them available to hand over .
At least they didnt try to cure covid with a hairdryer..........
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Post by thomas on Nov 2, 2023 9:31:42 GMT
What are they trying to hide? This is awkward pacifico.......
archive.ph/AWcPr
Shona Robison: Government will hand 14,000 WhatsApp texts to UK Covid Inquiry
First Minister Humza Yousaf insisted earlier this week that he had retained his electronic messages and would be fully complying with the probe.
Robison told MSPs that the Scottish Government’s WhatsApp groups aimed at dealing with “coordination, logistics and day-to-day communication” during the pandemic contained sensitive material, including pictures of the children of government officials and private medical details.
She said: “The UK Inquiry asked in June for summaries of all WhatsApp and similar groups related to coordination, logistics and day-to-day communication – greatly expanding the scope of what the Scottish Government needed to collate and process accordingly.
“This request was followed in September by a request for the actual messages exchanged within these groups.In examining the messages collated, it was clear that a number of them were of a particularly personal nature, including photos of individuals’ children and personal medical details.
“In order to reconcile our obligations as data controller for the contents of the messages with our desire to cooperate fully with the Inquiry, the Scottish Government wrote to the UK Inquiry on 5th October requesting a Section 21 notice, to provide the necessary legal basis for providing the information within the messages.”
She added: “The Scottish Government received this Section 21 notice yesterday, and I can confirm that work is well under way to fully comply in accordance with the timetable set by the UK Inquiry.
“This will mean that all requested messages held will be shared, in full and unredacted, by 6 November. |
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