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Post by Einhorn on Nov 11, 2022 14:18:43 GMT
Okay, present some statistics. If, as you claim, the UK is being singled out, you must have statistics to show that imports from third countries other than Britain are not being turned back for the reasons British imports into the EU are. Let's see them. I've given you one you fucking ignorant time waster. I say!! |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 11, 2022 16:42:46 GMT
Okay, present some statistics. If, as you claim, the UK is being singled out, you must have statistics to show that imports from third countries other than Britain are not being turned back for the reasons British imports into the EU are. Let's see them. I've given you one you fucking ignorant time waster. I've highlighted it above. Posting on a forum does involve some work on your part. If you don't know that the EU are deliberately punishing the UK for leaving then I suggest your either very, very stupid or a troll. You can't expect people to educate you. You're as bad as gnome who's also an ignorant time waster. It's a new forum so we're all getting to know who the time wasters are. You're one. Steppenwolf scores a bullseye <<<<<<<<<<O>>>>>>>>>> |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 11, 2022 18:03:44 GMT
I've given you one you fucking ignorant time waster. I've highlighted it above. Posting on a forum does involve some work on your part. If you don't know that the EU are deliberately punishing the UK for leaving then I suggest your either very, very stupid or a troll. You can't expect people to educate you. You're as bad as gnome who's also an ignorant time waster. It's a new forum so we're all getting to know who the time wasters are. You're one. Steppenwolf scores a bullseye <<<<<<<<<<O>>>>>>>>>> You have maligned a better man than yourself, Sal. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 12, 2022 7:59:26 GMT
I suggest that Remoaners stop bleating and remember who won the referendum 52/48 - not even close. They need to accept the verdict of the referendum and get behind making Brexit a success. The EU will collapse in the next few years anyway.
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Post by Toreador on Nov 12, 2022 8:17:45 GMT
I suggest that Remoaners stop bleating and remember who won the referendum 52/48 - not even close. They need to accept the verdict of the referendum and get behind making Brexit a success. The EU will collapse in the next few years anyway. Remoaners think they can change things by way of subscribing to online fora. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2022 9:15:08 GMT
Okay, present some statistics. If, as you claim, the UK is being singled out, you must have statistics to show that imports from third countries other than Britain are not being turned back for the reasons British imports into the EU are. Let's see them. I've given you one you fucking ignorant time waster. I've highlighted it above. Posting on a forum does involve some work on your part. If you don't know that the EU are deliberately punishing the UK for leaving then I suggest your either very, very stupid or a troll. You can't expect people to educate you. You're as bad as gnome who's also an ignorant time waster. It's a new forum so we're all getting to know who the time wasters are. You're one. Another extra ordinary piece of brilliant and amusing stupidity from this moronic poster. He very angrily insists that Switzerland does not have FoM. But he also insists that Switzerland has FoM of goods that are covered in bilateral deals. So, he shoots himself in the foot. You say that this reaffirms Switzerland's FoM? He goes AWOL on you; finds his dunce cap and comes back with another stupid idea -- "The EU is deliberately punishing the UK for leaving! The EU is punishing no one. The EU is so over Brexit UK. All it's been doing is enacting the agreement according to the letter and provisions of that agreement. And all they want is for the UK to do the same. If the agreement says that they must check documentation at the borders; they will check documentation at the borders so UK truck drivers must present correct documentation at the borders. They did not ask for this. We did. Stop feeling aggrieved already! Tedious, embarrassing people! |
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 12, 2022 12:02:42 GMT
I suggest that Remoaners stop bleating and remember who won the referendum 52/48 - not even close. They need to accept the verdict of the referendum and get behind making Brexit a success. The EU will collapse in the next few years anyway. 'Grandma, what big self-delusions you have', said Little Red Riding Hood. |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 12, 2022 16:49:47 GMT
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 13, 2022 8:14:57 GMT
Another extra ordinary piece of brilliant and amusing stupidity from this moronic poster. He very angrily insists that Switzerland does not have FoM. But he also insists that Switzerland has FoM of goods that are covered in bilateral deals. So, he shoots himself in the foot. You say that this reaffirms Switzerland's FoM? He goes AWOL on you; finds his dunce cap and comes back with another stupid idea -- "The EU is deliberately punishing the UK for leaving! The EU is punishing no one. The EU is so over Brexit UK. All it's been doing is enacting the agreement according to the letter and provisions of that agreement. And all they want is for the UK to do the same. If the agreement says that they must check documentation at the borders; they will check documentation at the borders so UK truck drivers must present correct documentation at the borders. They did not ask for this. We did. Stop feeling aggrieved already! Tedious, embarrassing people! Switzerland trades via bilateral deals - not via the SM. It doesn't have FoM as defined in the SM. There's a limit to how many times I can be bothered to say this. If you want to remain wilfully ignorant that's your problem. As for the EU not punishing the UK for leaving you have to be very stupid not to realise this. Martin Selmayr said that the price that the UK would pay for leaving the EU is the break up of the UK. That's why the Irish/NI border was "weaponised" - together with the UK/NI border. The ultimate objective is the unification of Ireland. That's why the protocol is such a can of worms and the EU refuse to talk about changing it - despite there being a clear statement in the agreement that they will do so if the protocol is negatively impacting NI trade. The UK (or actually Great Britain, as NI is still in the SM) is now a "third party country" and trades as such. But Switzerland is also a third party country. Yet it has none of the problems that we have with the EU bureaucracy. It has land borders with several EU countries but trade flows freely with virtually no interference. Yet the British/NI border and British/France border are both subject to considerable EU checks. As I said 20% of EU checks on goods are put on the "border" between Britain and NI (which carries 0.5% of the goods from third party countries) - and the French are being incredibly difficult about letting goods into France. Strangely this is done on the British side and the French are doing all they can to hold up lorries - even to the extent of not turning up for work at their border post. And when they do turn up, as I said, they're not acting in "good faith" as they are required to under the agreement. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 12:54:43 GMT
Another extra ordinary piece of brilliant and amusing stupidity from this moronic poster. He very angrily insists that Switzerland does not have FoM. But he also insists that Switzerland has FoM of goods that are covered in bilateral deals. So, he shoots himself in the foot. You say that this reaffirms Switzerland's FoM? He goes AWOL on you; finds his dunce cap and comes back with another stupid idea -- "The EU is deliberately punishing the UK for leaving! The EU is punishing no one. The EU is so over Brexit UK. All it's been doing is enacting the agreement according to the letter and provisions of that agreement. And all they want is for the UK to do the same. If the agreement says that they must check documentation at the borders; they will check documentation at the borders so UK truck drivers must present correct documentation at the borders. They did not ask for this. We did. Stop feeling aggrieved already! Tedious, embarrassing people! What do you mean by "not via the SM"? What; countries participate in the Single Market via the Single Market?  Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? The Single Market is not a means to an end. The Single Market is the end. The ways (or means) to achieve that aim (or end) is via EU membership or via bilateral deals. You need to be an EU country or have bilateral deals to be part of the Single Market. France is part (in full) of the Single Market via its EU membership. Switzerland is part (partial) of the Single market via its bilateral deals! Raab raised it first saying he had heard rumours about it. A pro Unionist official posted a video of Selmayr, apparently, saying it. Selmayr denied it. The EU was categorical in denouncing the video as fake. Meanwhile, you and Reesmug continue to try to sell the video up to this day. So. Has the EU ever sneaked up on the UK and tried to junk the agreement? No. Have they shown willing by returning to the negotiating table? Yes. Will they break their own rules to accommodate the UK's preposterous demands? No. Is that why you and Reesmug accuse them of punishing the UK? Yes. BTW, why would you change the Protocol itself? We negotiated, agreed and signed off the bloody thing. Remember Negatively impacting, my ass! Northern Ireland's trade is flourishing. Northern Ireland's economy outperforms that of Wales, Scotland and England -- what are you talking about? Switzerland has none of the problems we have with EU bureaucracy because they are part of the European Single Market via its bilateral deals. They pay. They follow EU rules. They adopt EU standards. They implement free movement of people. The UK? -- We strike deals now and try to strike them down the next day! Our deal with the EU is different from that of Switzerland. We get tariff-free access to their Single Market nothing more. We don't want to follow their rules. We don't want to follow their standards. We don't want to pay them anything. We don't want to implement FoM. And so, we don't. Fine. Therefore? We have to suck up tons of EU bureaucracy. Reams and reams and bloody reams of paper. And checks and more checks at the borders. That's what we want. That's what we get. Comprehend it already! And stop moaning and groaning about the French. We gave them reason to be difficult. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 14, 2022 11:42:05 GMT
Why would you possibly want to trade with an EU Mafia that imposes a crippling 1.3 bn SwF levy … before trade has begun … then tells you to break your borders to invaders … all sorts of criminals, sex pests, religious fanatical terrorists, economic migrants that bully and treat your Nation and Nationals like they are sh*t as soon as they get their big greedy feet in the door? THERE IS NO PROFIT IN THAT. Just don’t trade with the EU … end of … or an INDIA that imposes similar bullying tactics. … there are plenty of other countries in the World that will trade with Britain and Switzerland … exchanging goods and services for money without imposing ANY Sanctions or forced immigration dictats. Stop being lazy and disabled … go and seek them out … there are many in the Far East and in the Commonwealth … go and build a rapport with them and tell the EU MAFIA/AMERICA and the ISRAELI CROOKS that run this MAFIA💩SHOW ….(and Ukraine debacle) … to go and Play with THEMSELVES. 🤬 … AND STAND FIRM AS A COLLECTIVE IN SUPPORT WITH NORWAY AND SWITZERLAND …. COLLECTIVELY BLOCK EU IMPORTS FFS … they’ll soon discover which bread has butter on it. IF THEY WANT A TRADE WAR AND WANT TO BULLY US … HITLER TRIED AND FAILED … why vote for Tory/Labour SNOWFLAKES with no BALLS or NEGOTIATING SKILLS?? Chocolate teapots .. the lot of them. Useless. ANY WHINING Swiss, Brit, or back-stabbing traitorous Norwegians that don’t like your hard stance against the EU/US/ISRAELI Mafia … asset strip these criminals … and kick them out the Country … Let them live with these criminals and crooks and religious nutcases and war-mongers. … then see them try crawling back to a Nation with secure borders and a 60 year waiting list for a temporary residential visa with NO VOTING RIGHTS. … just like MONACO! Lol! … 🏦😋👍😂🤣 …. Do you see BLM Lewis Hamilton complaining …. take a knee Lewis … you’re going to need to reapply for British citizenship when we have finished with a BLM bullying like you! |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 14, 2022 14:06:56 GMT
Sorry, gnome, but your post has got too long to respond to - the forum won't allow it. It doesn't matter though because absolutely everything you have said is wrong - which is quite an achievement.
As for your main point that Switzerland trades more easily with the EU than we do because it's in the SM - with free movement etc - that's simply factually wrong. The UK is more nearly aligned to the SM than Switzerland is - that's one of the problems I have with our dealt. We have an FTA with the EU on all products without any quotas being applied. SWitzerland has over 100 bilateral deals on certain products and doesn't have comprehensive agreements on trade. It also doesn't have FoM - either of goods or people. As I've said.
And the agreement with the EU has a specific clause in it, Article 16, that allows renegotiation if parts of the deal aren't working. But the EU has refused to renegotiate. It also has an article in it about "both parties acting in good faith". They have breached both.
As I said before, you're better off stopping posting and doing a bit of reading. You don't even begin to understand what the EU is.
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Post by Einhorn on Nov 14, 2022 14:21:10 GMT
. It doesn't matter though because absolutely everything you have said is wrong - which is quite an achievement. Erm ... the title to this thread is wrong, Snuggles. Switzerland isn't the richest country in Europe. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 15:20:48 GMT
Sorry, gnome, but your post has got too long to respond to - the forum won't allow it. It doesn't matter though because absolutely everything you have said is wrong - which is quite an achievement. As for your main point that Switzerland trades more easily with the EU than we do because it's in the SM - with free movement etc - that's simply factually wrong. The UK is more nearly aligned to the SM than Switzerland is. We have an FTA with the EU on all products without any quotas being applied. SWitzerland has over 100 bilateral deals on certain products and doesn't have comprehensive agreements on trade. It also doesn't have FoM - either of goods or people. As I've said.And the agreement with the EU has a specific clause in it, Article 16, that allows renegotiation if parts of the deal aren't working. But the EU has refused to renegotiate. It also has an article in it about "both parties acting in good faith". They have breached both. As I said before, you're better off stopping posting and doing a bit of reading. You don't even begin to understand what the EU is. According to a couple of articles in the papers; last summer, Switzerland paid 1.3B Swiss Francs cohesion payment. The article also confirms that " cohesion payments are seen as the entry fee for non-EU members like Switzerland or Norway to take part in the European Single Market." Further, in September 2020, "Swiss voters rejected a proposal to end an accord with the EU allowing the free movement of people."You clearly don't understand so you must use your common sense. So, (a) if Switzerland were not in the Single Market, why would it pay the EU 1.3B in entry fee? And (b) why would the Swiss vote to keep freedom of movement of people if it didn't have it, in the first place? Get the drift? We have an FTA with the EU that does not allow freedom of movement of people; that does not require us to make payments to the EU; that does not compel us to apply EU standards and laws. Swiss bilateral deals with the EU cover all such things. The EU has always been steadfast in its refusal to renegotiate the Protocol. The EU doesn't deny it; but your problem is, you do not understand what you are talking about. You don't get it. You can not distinguish between THE protocol itself and the terms of that Protocol. So, you don't really understand what it is you are asking the EU to renegotiate. You obviously think you do, but clearly you don't. Hence, all your nonsense arguments. Sorry. The UK has been forcing the EU to renegotiate THE Protocol and effectively replace it with something else. And in this regard, we have acted in bad faith. You sign off and ratify the Protocol and then shortly after demand -- and legislate -- that it be changed and replaced. And then protest that you're being punished for leaving!? Who are we kidding here? You're telling me to stop posting because you are backed into a corner and your arguments have come apart at the seams. You're gasping for air and you want to take a breather. Fine. |
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Post by bancroft on Nov 14, 2022 16:38:41 GMT
Why would you possibly want to trade with an EU Mafia that imposes a crippling 1.3 bn SwF levy … before trade has begun … then tells you to break your borders to invaders … all sorts of criminals, sex pests, religious fanatical terrorists, economic migrants that bully and treat your Nation and Nationals like they are sh*t as soon as they get their big greedy feet in the door? THERE IS NO PROFIT IN THAT! Just don’t trade with the EU … end of … or an INDIA that imposes similar bullying tactics. … there are plenty of other countries in the World that will trade with Britain and Switzerland … exchanging goods and services for money without imposing ANY Sanctions or forced immigration dictats. Stop being lazy and disabled … go and seek them out … there are many in the Far East and in the Commonwealth … go and build a rapport with them and tell the EU MAFIA/AMERICA and the ISRAELI CROOKS that run this MAFIA💩SHOW ….(and Ukraine debacle) … to go and FUCK THEMSELVES. 🤬 … AND STAND FIRM AS A COLLECTIVE IN SUPPORT WITH NORWAY AND SWITZERLAND …. COLLECTIVELY BLOCK EU IMPORTS FFS … they’ll soon discover which bread has butter on it. IF THEY WANT A TRADE WAR AND WANT TO BULLY US … FUCK THAT … HITLER TRIED AND FAILED … why vote for Tory/Labour SNOWFLAKES with no BALLS or NEGOTIATING SKILLS?? Chocolate teapots .. the lot of them. Useless. ANY WHINING Swiss, Brit, or back-stabbing traitorous Norwegians that don’t like your hard stance against the EU/US/ISRAELI Mafia … asset strip these criminals … and kick them out the Country … Let them live with these criminals and crooks and religious nutcases and war-mongers. … then see them try crawling back to a Nation with secure borders and a 60 year waiting list for a temporary residential visa with NO VOTING RIGHTS. … just like MONACO! Lol! … 🏦😋👍😂🤣 …. Do you see BLM Lewis Hamilton complaining …. take a knee Lewis … you’re going to need to reapply for British citizenship when we have finished with a bullying Nazi like you! Switzerland is home to a lot of big corporates they will likely make political donations on the understanding Switzerland has access to the SM. |
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Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?