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Post by Bentley on Nov 5, 2023 11:55:24 GMT
I don’t see much criticism of Hamas , a recognition that Hamas is responsible for the backlash or even any recognition of the initial killing of innocent Israelis and neither do you . In fact iirc pictures of murdered Israelis were pulled off walls by these protesters for peace . Pull the other one …. Hamas could stop the killing tomorrow by giving themselves up and releasing the hostages. They could significantly reduce the death of innocents by not using them as human shields . I don’t see much if that expressed by these protestors for peace either . Pull the other one ( 2)….. Imreally can’t make up my mind whether you lefties are super naive or super cynical . With regards to Hamas, perhaps I ought to point out to you that many Jewish people were actually on those marches, I know this because both SKY News and BBC News interviewed some of them. Jewish people would not participate in marches if they believed that the participants were Hamas sympathisers. You are doing the usual thing that the populist and twisted Right always do, you are missinterpreting a march for peace into some kind of antisemitic march by people full of hate, who are sympathisers of Hamas. You do this because it fits with your warped viewpoint ... just the same as evil Suella Braverman. Jewish people can be as cynical and naive as non Jewish people . As I said there seems to be zero peace marchers calling for Hamas to release hostages , stop using innocents as human shields and give themselves up for peace . There is scant acknowledgment of the innocents murdered by Hamas and the cynically strategy of Hamas , if any . YOU are doing the usual thing lefties do. Completely ignore any uncomfortable point and continue with the gas lighting . Its a mixture of a hate march and blinkered fools thinking that it’s a peace march . Bravermans evil because she refuses to be a wallah for white lefties. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 12:59:36 GMT
The overwhelming majority of protesters on the pro Palestinan marches are opposed to all forms of terrorism, including the terror attacks inflicted upon innocent Israeli's on the 7th October, many have spoken out against what Hamas did.
The pressing issue NOW, is the residents of Gaza, and how their towns and citys are been flattened and turned to rubble, the thousands of innocent people killed through indiscriminate bombing by a supposedly democratic, civilised state.
The protesters want the killing to stop, and they want Israel to stop bombing homes, hospitals and refugee camps. The marchers are appaled that the army and government of a supposed Western ally can cut off water, power, electricity to the civilian population ( War Crimes ) illegal in international law.
The pro Palestinian protesters are angry that Israel will not allow aid into Gaza, and only enough supplies to feed a fraction of the population.
The entire population of Gaza TWO AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE surrounded, walled in, bombed, killed, terrified, traumatised children ...... and all you can come up with is "the protesters have not criticised Hamas enough".
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Post by Bentley on Nov 5, 2023 13:08:39 GMT
The overwhelming majority of protesters on the pro Palestinan marches are opposed to all forms of terrorism, including the terror attacks inflicted upon innocent Israeli's on the 7th October, many have spoken out against what Hamas did. The pressing issue NOW, is the residents of Gaza, and how their towns and citys are been flattened and turned to rubble, the thousands of innocent people killed through indiscriminate bombing by a supposedly democratic, civilised state. The protesters want the killing to stop, and they want Israel to stop bombing homes, hospitals and refugee camps. The marchers are appaled that the army and government of a supposed Western ally can cut off water, power, electricity to the civilian population ( War Crimes ) illegal in international law. The pro Palestinian protesters are angry that Israel will not allow aid into Gaza, and only enough supplies to feed a fraction of the population. The entire population of Gaza TWO AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE surrounded, walled in, bombed, killed, terrified, traumatised children ...... and all you can come up with is "the protesters have not criticised Hamas enough". FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE It’s laughable . There is no recognition of Hamas as a terror organisation , no reference to Hamas as murderers and you still post this bullshit . No suggestion that Hamas return the hostages, no demanding that Hamas stop hiding behind human shields . No admission that none of this would have happened if Hamas did not murder enough civilians to goad Israel into an attack that they hoped would become a wider war . You ignore all of this and go back to the same mantra . I expect no better . No one can be that naive . |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 5, 2023 13:13:50 GMT
But the marches are not in support of Hamas, and this is where twats like Suella Braverman and those of the twisted populist right attempt to distort reality and feed the public with lies. The marches are in support of the ending of the mass killings in Gaza of civilians, most estimates now say 10,000 dead, including 4000 children, they march in support of a ceasefire, they march in support of providing humanitarian aid, and in support of a free Palestine. Braverman is a highly dangerous creature, and if anyone like her ever became Prime Minister, she would take us along a very Unbritish path towards authoritarianism. By Israel - not by Hamas. And they dont call for the release of the Hostages. If Hamas were organising the marches it could not be more one-sided. News coverage of protests show most participant placards to have Socialist Worker branding |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 5, 2023 13:16:44 GMT
The overwhelming majority of protesters on the pro Palestinan marches are opposed to all forms of terrorism, including the terror attacks inflicted upon innocent Israeli's on the 7th October, many have spoken out against what Hamas did. The pressing issue NOW, is the residents of Gaza, and how their towns and citys are been flattened and turned to rubble, the thousands of innocent people killed through indiscriminate bombing by a supposedly democratic, civilised state. The protesters want the killing to stop, and they want Israel to stop bombing homes, hospitals and refugee camps. The marchers are appaled that the army and government of a supposed Western ally can cut off water, power, electricity to the civilian population ( War Crimes ) illegal in international law. The pro Palestinian protesters are angry that Israel will not allow aid into Gaza, and only enough supplies to feed a fraction of the population. The entire population of Gaza TWO AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE surrounded, walled in, bombed, killed, terrified, traumatised children ...... and all you can come up with is "the protesters have not criticised Hamas enough". FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE How do you know their personal opinions? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 13:31:16 GMT
The overwhelming majority of protesters on the pro Palestinan marches are opposed to all forms of terrorism, including the terror attacks inflicted upon innocent Israeli's on the 7th October, many have spoken out against what Hamas did. The pressing issue NOW, is the residents of Gaza, and how their towns and citys are been flattened and turned to rubble, the thousands of innocent people killed through indiscriminate bombing by a supposedly democratic, civilised state. The protesters want the killing to stop, and they want Israel to stop bombing homes, hospitals and refugee camps. The marchers are appaled that the army and government of a supposed Western ally can cut off water, power, electricity to the civilian population ( War Crimes ) illegal in international law. The pro Palestinian protesters are angry that Israel will not allow aid into Gaza, and only enough supplies to feed a fraction of the population. The entire population of Gaza TWO AND A HALF MILLION PEOPLE surrounded, walled in, bombed, killed, terrified, traumatised children ...... and all you can come up with is "the protesters have not criticised Hamas enough". FUCKING UNBELIEVABLE How do you know their personal opinions? You wont give up with your twisting and bending of the truth will you ? Many of the protestors have spoken to reporters, I have watched and listened to what they say on BBC News, SKY News, France24 News, Al Jazeera, Deutsche Welle and CNN. None of us ever know the personal opinions of everyone in any mass protest, how could we, but your RIDICULOUS insistence that they might be Hamas sympathisers, or one or two could be extremists, reall is pushing the boundries of reality towards conspiracy theory. Why cannot people like you take people for what they say they are, or for what they state that they stand for ? |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 5, 2023 13:52:42 GMT
Hamas excusers, either blinkered ,scared or sympathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 16:41:07 GMT
They tend to get hateful when it’s pointed out that Hamas are Islamic terrorists. If they were supporting peace then they would be marching in support of Hamas ceasing terrorist activity too. , and this is where twats like Suella Braverman and those of the twisted populist right attempt to distort reality and feed the public with lies. The marches are in support of the ending of the mass killings in Gaza of civilians, most estimates now say 10,000 dead, including 4000 children, they march in support of a ceasefire, they march in support of providing humanitarian aid, and in support of a free Palestine. Braverman is a highly dangerous creature, and if anyone like her ever became Prime Minister, she would take us along a very Unbritish path towards authoritarianism. Did you see the guy with the "Hamas are terrorist" banner attacked by the crowd? He was abused and had his banner take and stomped underfoot. I suppose you will say only a few of the crowd thought and acted that way, Sid? |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 5, 2023 16:55:42 GMT
The overwhelming majority of protesters on the pro Palestinan marches are opposed to all forms of terrorism, including the terror attacks inflicted upon innocent Israeli's on the 7th October, many have spoken out against what Hamas did.How do you know their personal opinions? You wont give up with your twisting and bending of the truth will you ? Many of the protestors have spoken to reporters, I have watched and listened to what they say on BBC News, SKY News, France24 News, Al Jazeera, Deutsche Welle and CNN. None of us ever know the personal opinions of everyone in any mass protest, how could we, but your RIDICULOUS insistence that they might be Hamas sympathisers, or one or two could be extremists, reall is pushing the boundries of reality towards conspiracy theory. Why cannot people like you take people for what they say they are, or for what they state that they stand for ? You categorically posted as fact (nothing twisted or bent by me): The overwhelming majority of protesters on the pro Palestinan marches are opposed to all forms of terrorism,
To any normal reading you state as fact that not just the majority (ie 51 in every 100) , but the OVERWHELMING majority are opposed to all forms of terrorism and when I ask you how you know this as fact you get all snotty and have the cheek to accuse me of being ridiculous ! You've been caught out by your leftie hyperbole  |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2023 17:20:55 GMT
It is amazing the difference...
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 5, 2023 17:26:18 GMT
The overwhelming majority of protesters on the pro Palestinan marches are opposed to all forms of terrorism, including the terror attacks inflicted upon innocent Israeli's on the 7th October, many have spoken out against what Hamas did. Twaddle. We have thousands chanting in favour of the destruction of Israel, Jihad and a new Intifada. What we do not have are chants for Jews and Palestinians to live in peace together, for Hamas to stop the rocket attacks, for the release of the Hostages and for Hamas to stop hiding behind civilians. In fact anyone who does criticise Hamas runs a good chance of getting his head kicked in - and the one guy with the Israel flag that turned up was chased away and needed police protection. So I'm struggling to see where the opposition to Hamas is. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 18:48:52 GMT
But the marches are not in support of Hamas, and this is where twats like Suella Braverman and those of the twisted populist right attempt to distort reality and feed the public with lies. The marches are in support of the ending of the mass killings in Gaza of civilians, most estimates now say 10,000 dead, including 4000 children, they march in support of a ceasefire, they march in support of providing humanitarian aid, and in support of a free Palestine. Braverman is a highly dangerous creature, and if anyone like her ever became Prime Minister, she would take us along a very Unbritish path towards authoritarianism. Did you see the guy with the "Hamas are terrorist" banner attacked by the crowd? He was abused and had his banner take and stomped underfoot. I suppose you will say only a few of the crowd thought and acted that way, Sid? Yes, because ANYONE who would go along to a pro Palestinian demonstration where people are calling for peace, and takes a placard declaring that "Hamas are terrorists" clearly cannot see the bigger picture, and obviously fails to understand what the demonstrators are actually demonstrating about. It does not follow that pro Palestinian protestors must be Hamas sympathisers, even though people like you attempt to convey the idea that it does. You continue to twist the truth |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2023 19:01:22 GMT
You wont give up with your twisting and bending of the truth will you ? Many of the protestors have spoken to reporters, I have watched and listened to what they say on BBC News, SKY News, France24 News, Al Jazeera, Deutsche Welle and CNN. None of us ever know the personal opinions of everyone in any mass protest, how could we, but your RIDICULOUS insistence that they might be Hamas sympathisers, or one or two could be extremists, reall is pushing the boundries of reality towards conspiracy theory. Why cannot people like you take people for what they say they are, or for what they state that they stand for ? You categorically posted as fact (nothing twisted or bent by me): The overwhelming majority of protesters on the pro Palestinan marches are opposed to all forms of terrorism,
To any normal reading you state as fact that not just the majority (ie 51 in every 100) , but the OVERWHELMING majority are opposed to all forms of terrorism and when I ask you how you know this as fact you get all snotty and have the cheek to accuse me of being ridiculous ! You've been caught out by your leftie hyperbole I base my statement upon (1) I do not believe that many British people with British values would support the butchering and murder of innocent Israeli civilians. (2) By listening and watching interviews of the protestors on TV, including Jewish people. (3) that in my opinion it would be absurd to suppose that a large number of the hundreds of thousands who have protested would sympathise with what Hamas did. (4) I believe the statements given out by the protestors as to why they are protesting. Perhaps more importantly, because I agree with the protestors, I understand why they are protesting, the cause for which they protest is a just cause. |
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Post by patman post on Nov 5, 2023 19:59:59 GMT
BBC quietly U-turns on calling Hamas 'militants' as chief exec faces crunch meeting over coverage The left wing minority appeasing BBC has quietly U-turned on labelling Hamas terrorists as “militants” as the broadcaster’s chief executives prepares for a crunch meeting over its coverage with Tory MPs. The corporation will now call the group, who launched its assault against Israel on October 7, a “proscribed terrorist organisation”. www.gbnews.com/news/bbc-hamas-militants-israel-tim-davieThe BBC is past is sell-by date. Frankly, I don't see much difference. In the BBC reporting I've seen, its initial explanation of Hamas militants has always been along the lines of it being a proscribed terrorist organisation by many Western governments, including the UK.
I suggest that if the BBC has decided to drop the word 'militants' from its reports, it shows the influence of the Jewish lobby within and on the BBC...
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 5, 2023 20:11:12 GMT
You categorically posted as fact (nothing twisted or bent by me): The overwhelming majority of protesters on the pro Palestinan marches are opposed to all forms of terrorism,
To any normal reading you state as fact that not just the majority (ie 51 in every 100) , but the OVERWHELMING majority are opposed to all forms of terrorism and when I ask you how you know this as fact you get all snotty and have the cheek to accuse me of being ridiculous ! You've been caught out by your leftie hyperbole I base my statement upon (1) I do not believe that many British people with British values would support the butchering and murder of innocent Israeli civilians. (2) By listening and watching interviews of the protestors on TV, including Jewish people. (3) that in my opinion it would be absurd to suppose that a large number of the hundreds of thousands who have protested would sympathise with what Hamas did. (4) I believe the statements given out by the protestors as to why they are protesting. Perhaps more importantly, because I agree with the protestors, I understand why they are protesting, the cause for which they protest is a just cause. So it's simply your personal opinion that The overwhelming majority of protesters on the pro Palestinan marches are opposed to all forms of terrorism, , with no objective factual basis Glad that's been cleared up |
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