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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 29, 2023 9:29:09 GMT
The IQ is dropping fast, attention deficit increases, emotional instability, bouts of madness crazy actions. We see it all. At this same time we see the government manipulate the nation's diet and such manipulation is on the increase. Now not just vegan, but gluten free as well. Gluten is a source of protein and synthesises GABA " the chief inhibitory neurotransmitter in the developmentally mature mammalian central nervous system. Its principal role is reducing neuronal excitability throughout the nervous system." - wiki. We know meat is something that contains the perfect balance of all the essential nutrients the body needs, unsurprisingly since meat comes from a body. We have evolved to eat it as well. If it can be shown the government advice is wrong in places then one can reasonably conclude it will be wrong in other places we do not yet know about, as these nefarious actions are indicative of an agenda. You eat at an elite restaurant and you don't get this nonsense. Gluten intolerance, that's me. First of all due to human modification wheat now has a higher level of gluten than was normal in wheat. There are different reasons why some people have to become Gluten Free (GF) for some people gluten damages the intestines denying the individual the full value of what they eat. In my 50s a long term very low level of Gluten intolerance (recognised at a later date) that still allowed me to eat anything I chose, exploded into full intolerance. The result was that my system would not allow gluten to go past the stomach, gluten had to come out along the same path it went in. The result was that every 4 to 5 weeks I was up all night vomiting, still retching long after the stomach was empty. I would usually wake up around 7am from sleep lying on the bathroom floor. one of the effects was 'Mind Fog' that would last for as long as a week. I had no idea what was going on for me at that time, but I remember having to rewrite the first few hundred words of a 2,000 word dissertation which on reflection was an indication of Mind Fog clearing. Don't knock gluten free. In reply to Baron … Is the experimental chef food and small portions you get in an ‘elite’ restaurant likely to provide a working person on a budget with the calories necessary for long term survival?? It would be nice if the Government cared enough about the health of the poor/general population … heavily taxing bad unhealthy takeaway/fast food has done nothing to reduce heart disease and the obesity epidemic in children and adults. Improving and regulating food standards by producers … and stopping production/importation of ‘longterm deadly/harmful’ foodstuffs is the way to tackle this at source. ************* In reply to See2 ….Are you saying Monsanto and other Companies that dominate World food modification programmes … are producing food agriculture (wheat etc) that looks good … is highly productive in crop returns ….. but is covertly making the population sick through gluten overload? … Are there other serious medical conditions that modified crops produce … that we don’t know about … because the Media is manipulated by the power brokers that support Monsanto? Are we now learning of other conditions that upset the way humans evolved to digest their food? … IBS seems a very common condition today … is that gluten related? |
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Post by Orac on Oct 29, 2023 9:29:35 GMT
Increased gluten in wheat is a good thing. Horticulturists and farmers have strived for centuries to achieve this. Gluten is a protein and it's what makes your bread rise. Don't forget that around half of wheat in this country goes to animal feed where protein is important in growing bulk. Grains get a lot of stick from your paleo diet fanatics but without wheat and rice we'd all still be hunter gatherers living in caves. No wheat, no farming, no specialisation, no civilisation. Wheat was the Roman MRE However, that doesn't mean it does you a whole lot of good beyond keeping you alive with calories. the other issue is that both wheat and bread making have changed markedly over the last century. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 29, 2023 9:33:31 GMT
Increased gluten in wheat is a good thing. Horticulturists and farmers have strived for centuries to achieve this. Gluten is a protein and it's what makes your bread rise. Don't forget that around half of wheat in this country goes to animal feed where protein is important in growing bulk. Grains get a lot of stick from your paleo diet fanatics but without wheat and rice we'd all still be hunter gatherers living in caves. No wheat, no farming, no specialisation, no civilisation. Wheat was the Roman MRE However, that doesn't mean it does you a whole lot of good beyond keeping you alive with calories. Keeping you alive is the basis of civilisation. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 29, 2023 9:34:59 GMT
Wheat was the Roman MRE However, that doesn't mean it does you a whole lot of good beyond keeping you alive with calories. Keeping you alive is the basis of civilisation. Sure - even the paleo crowd would say you should eat wheat if the alternative is dying. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 29, 2023 9:46:00 GMT
I don’t knowingly make false statements on this Forum - can you kindly point out which statements I made above are FALSE? … Thank you. Mistaken opinions is what I see. Sorry, … you’re generalising again … I cannot fix the problem you have with my posts if you make a sweeping statement (earlier using the lazy phrase “Conspiracy THEORY”) …..and don’t pinpoint exactly which error or mistaken opinion you are concerned about? ….naturally, you will need some reliable evidence to back up your version of the ‘truth’?? |
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Post by see2 on Oct 29, 2023 9:52:43 GMT
Increased gluten in wheat is a good thing. Horticulturists and farmers have strived for centuries to achieve this. Gluten is a protein and it's what makes your bread rise. Don't forget that around half of wheat in this country goes to animal feed where protein is important in growing bulk. Grains get a lot of stick from your paleo diet fanatics but without wheat and rice we'd all still be hunter gatherers living in caves. No wheat, no farming, no specialisation, no civilisation. To answer your first part. Yes I know. I have no part of any of your 'paleo diet fanatics' so that was uncalled for. I have survived for the last 30 odd years without wheat. And I have been so much healthier and fitter than I was 30 years ago. Dropping a little now at age eighty four. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 29, 2023 10:03:31 GMT
Increased gluten in wheat is a good thing. Horticulturists and farmers have strived for centuries to achieve this. Gluten is a protein and it's what makes your bread rise. Don't forget that around half of wheat in this country goes to animal feed where protein is important in growing bulk. Grains get a lot of stick from your paleo diet fanatics but without wheat and rice we'd all still be hunter gatherers living in caves. No wheat, no farming, no specialisation, no civilisation. To answer your first part. Yes I know. I have no part of any of your 'paleo diet fanatics' so that was uncalled for. I have survived for the last 30 odd years without wheat. And I have been so much healthier and fitter than I was 30 years ago. Dropping a little now at age eighty four. It was a generic ''your''. Not aimed at you personally. I have great sympathy for anyone genuinely gluten intolerant. Bread is amazing and life must be very dull without it. The paleo fanatics I refer to are so often just victims of the latest food fad and a royal pain in the arse for a chef. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 29, 2023 10:09:55 GMT
Gluten intolerance, that's me. First of all due to human modification wheat now has a higher level of gluten than was normal in wheat. There are different reasons why some people have to become Gluten Free (GF) for some people gluten damages the intestines denying the individual the full value of what they eat. In my 50s a long term very low level of Gluten intolerance (recognised at a later date) that still allowed me to eat anything I chose, exploded into full intolerance. The result was that my system would not allow gluten to go past the stomach, gluten had to come out along the same path it went in. The result was that every 4 to 5 weeks I was up all night vomiting, still retching long after the stomach was empty. I would usually wake up around 7am from sleep lying on the bathroom floor. one of the effects was 'Mind Fog' that would last for as long as a week. I had no idea what was going on for me at that time, but I remember having to rewrite the first few hundred words of a 2,000 word dissertation which on reflection was an indication of Mind Fog clearing. Don't knock gluten free. In reply to Baron … ************* In reply to See2 ….Are you saying Monsanto and other Companies that dominate World food modification programmes … are producing food agriculture (wheat etc) that looks good … is highly productive in crop returns ….. but is covertly making the population sick through gluten overload? … Are there other serious medical conditions that modified crops produce … that we don’t know about … because the Media is manipulated by the power brokers that support Monsanto? Are we now learning of other conditions that upset the way humans evolved to digest their food? … IBS seems a very common condition today … is that gluten related? Whoever is responsible for changing the gluten strength in flour (many many years ago) is making SOME people sick. In some research I did I found that Italian children are checked for gluten intolerance at school entering age IIRC. I suspect that there could well be a connection with IBS and gluten. While my stools remained firm I can't ever remember being constipated during my low gluten intolerance years. Who knows if the are any other intolerances being caused by changes made to food, I don't know. |
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Post by Orac on Oct 29, 2023 10:16:57 GMT
To answer your first part. Yes I know. I have no part of any of your 'paleo diet fanatics' so that was uncalled for. I have survived for the last 30 odd years without wheat. And I have been so much healthier and fitter than I was 30 years ago. Dropping a little now at age eighty four. The paleo fanatics I refer to are so often just victims of the latest food fad and a royal pain in the arse for a chef. I see Paleo quite differently. 'The modern diet' is a metabolic disaster for most people. Paleo is like an emergency intervention to push things hard in a different direction - ie to get weight down to normal and to get a properly working metabolism, gut biom again. The problems associated with bad diet are a gordian knot - overweight, slow metabolism, low motivation. Paleo is like a axe to cut one or two of these problems so something can be done. Paleo is drastic but it often produces results quickly and gives people motivation. People who claim to follow it relentlessly forever are probably exaggerating, but it does tend to allow people to drop their weight quickly |
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Post by see2 on Oct 29, 2023 10:20:00 GMT
To answer your first part. Yes I know. I have no part of any of your 'paleo diet fanatics' so that was uncalled for. I have survived for the last 30 odd years without wheat. And I have been so much healthier and fitter than I was 30 years ago. Dropping a little now at age eighty four. It was a generic ''your''. Not aimed at you personally. I have great sympathy for anyone genuinely gluten intolerant. Bread is amazing and life must be very dull without it. The paleo fanatics I refer to are so often just victims of the latest food fad and a royal pain in the arse for a chef. Cheers, and you are absolutely right I do miss bread, no more chip butties for one, or cakes and biscuits and all the other nice things with wheat flour in the recipe. I've even had to change my beer for GF beer, although GF Pear Cider makes a nice change especially after some work in the garden on a hot summers day. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 29, 2023 10:24:12 GMT
Mistaken opinions is what I see. Sorry, … you’re generalising again … I cannot fix the problem you have with my posts if you make a sweeping statement (earlier using the lazy phrase “Conspiracy THEORY”) …..and don’t pinpoint exactly which error or mistaken opinion you are concerned about? ….naturally, you will need some reliable evidence to back up your version of the ‘truth’?? Just recognise your liking for conspiracy theories. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 29, 2023 10:39:57 GMT
Increased gluten in wheat is a good thing. Horticulturists and farmers have strived for centuries to achieve this. Gluten is a protein and it's what makes your bread rise. Don't forget that around half of wheat in this country goes to animal feed where protein is important in growing bulk. Grains get a lot of stick from your paleo diet fanatics but without wheat and rice we'd all still be hunter gatherers living in caves. No wheat, no farming, no specialisation, no civilisation. Scientists and Globalists like to analyse and play ‘God’ … and say what is good and bad … what needs boosting to make us healthier. Humans say eat and drink everything in moderation won’t do you any harm. …. maybe boosting gluten and introducing other chemicals into a new environmental soup has now created a tipping point? Maybe See2’s health journey is a clue … showing gluten excess creating problems in human well-being. Not fatal, but debilitating. … Could Monsanto engineering possibly be doing more harm than good ?? … generating digestive issues … are Earth’s creatures able to evolve a mechanism to cope with “gluten glut”. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 29, 2023 10:50:08 GMT
Increased gluten in wheat is a good thing. Horticulturists and farmers have strived for centuries to achieve this. Gluten is a protein and it's what makes your bread rise. Don't forget that around half of wheat in this country goes to animal feed where protein is important in growing bulk. Grains get a lot of stick from your paleo diet fanatics but without wheat and rice we'd all still be hunter gatherers living in caves. No wheat, no farming, no specialisation, no civilisation. Scientists and Globalists like to analyse and play ‘God’ … and say what is good and bad … what needs boosting to make us healthier. Humans say eat and drink everything in moderation won’t do you any harm. …. maybe boosting gluten and introducing other chemicals into a new environmental soup has now created a tipping point? Maybe See2’s health journey is a clue … showing gluten excess creating problems in human well-being. Not fatal, but debilitating. … Could Monsanto engineering possibly be doing more harm than good ?? … generating digestive issues … are Earth’s creatures able to evolve a mechanism to cope with “gluten glut”. There is no GM wheat produced in this country. There never has been thanks to the EU and it isn't even imported with the exception of a few soya products fed to your beefburgers. I personally think this is a mistake. Certain crops can be modified to resist pests and blights reducing the risks from pesticides and herbicides which are very real unlike a lot of the guff spoken about GM foods. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 29, 2023 11:32:28 GMT
Yes, … I agree we shouldn’t exaggerate the ‘harmful’ side to GM … but why is gluten intolerance on the rise in Europe and the UK if, as you strangely allege, very little GM food with boosted gluten is getting into our food chains?
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Post by Orac on Oct 29, 2023 11:36:00 GMT
Yes, … I agree we shouldn’t exaggerate the ‘harmful’ side to GM … but why is gluten intolerance on the rise in Europe and the UK if, as you strangely allege, no GM food with boosted gluten is getting into our food chains? Genetic modification isn't the deciding factor. Modern wheat strains are radically different from the strains grown a century ago. Genetic modification is easier than strain selection. You don't really know what you getting nowadays either way. |
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