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Post by sandypine on Oct 13, 2023 23:03:41 GMT
The BBC has called the events of last Saturday "A Massacre" and they have called what happened as "Murder", but its not good enough for some people. Some people want the worlds MOST RESPECTED news organisation to be one sided, to take a particular side in this long running conflict. The BBC is not aligned to the British government ( of any political persuassion ) and neither should it be, ever. Every day, someone, somewhere is outraged that the BBC does not take their particular side The problem is they do not follow their own policies. They do use adjectival phrases to describe certain groups irrespective of what those groups may say and do. They refer to several parties and groups as anti-migrant or far right both of which are subjective opinions and do not allow the making up of minds. You may agree with them but that is not what they profess they do. They are hypocritical. The anti-migrant is a particular slur as most parties or groups so described are anything but anti-migrant. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 13, 2023 23:28:12 GMT
I am not arguing about that. But the Israeli retribution is way beyond reasonable. They have killed and maimed thousands, way beyond the number of their own casualties. They should stop now while they retain some semblance of credibility. There is the key word 'retribution' ...
"punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act".
In other words it's a 'justifiable' retribution, the fact that Israeli are outclassing them on the battlefield is just a case of 'never underestimate your opponents'.
The Israelis were caught napping. It seems that the Egyptians warned them, but Netanyahu et al knew better and took no heed. Had the Israelis been on the ball the massacre would not have happened. Killing and maiming is in no way justifiable, whoever carries it out. Hamas, I have heard, have about 10,000 fighters in Gaza. The Israelis have called up 360,000 reservists. If they can't "outclass" Hamas on the battlefield there's something far wrong. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 14, 2023 0:23:54 GMT
There is the key word 'retribution' ...
"punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act".
In other words it's a 'justifiable' retribution, the fact that Israeli are outclassing them on the battlefield is just a case of 'never underestimate your opponents'.
The key is indeed in the wording, note that Loon uses "Retribution", a innately perjorative term, rather than "Defence" or "Response". It's emotive language calculated to imply that Israel is somehow in the wrong at the outset. A narrative redolent of anti-Semitism. Retribution is what it is. And, I have not said "that Israel is somehow in the wrong at the outset". You are trying to make out I am somehow pro-Hamas because I am critical of Israel's OTT actions. Criticising Israel is not anti semitic. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 14, 2023 0:32:11 GMT
The key is indeed in the wording, note that Loon uses "Retribution", a innately perjorative term, rather than "Defence" or "Response". It's emotive language calculated to imply that Israel is somehow in the wrong at the outset. A narrative redolent of anti-Semitism. Precisely, only a 'Loon' would argue that the massacre of innocent people did not warrant a backlash of 'retribution' on the same scale, when in fact the appropriate term would be 'defending' themselves in a act of war. Oh dear, a play on words. A report in the Guardian says that 1500 bodies of Hamas fighters were recovered inside Israel. Given that is around the number of Israeli deaths, the matter should have ended there. Instead, full of vengeance, the Israelis started the murder of innocents and the obliteration of Gaza. www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/10/hamas-prepared-for-a-long-war-with-israel-as-concerns-for-hostages-in-gaza-grow |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 14, 2023 4:54:31 GMT
The BBC has called the events of last Saturday "A Massacre" and they have called what happened as "Murder", but its not good enough for some people. Some people want the worlds MOST RESPECTED news organisation to be one sided, to take a particular side in this long running conflict. The BBC is not aligned to the British government ( of any political persuassion ) and neither should it be, ever. Every day, someone, somewhere is outraged that the BBC does not take their particular side Bollocks: Describing a proscribed terrorist organisation as such is hardly taking sides. 🙄 |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 14, 2023 4:55:08 GMT
There is the key word 'retribution' ...
"punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act".
In other words it's a 'justifiable' retribution, the fact that Israeli are outclassing them on the battlefield is just a case of 'never underestimate your opponents'.
The Israelis were caught napping. It seems that the Egyptians warned them, but Netanyahu et al knew better and took no heed. Had the Israelis been on the ball the massacre would not have happened. Killing and maiming is in no way justifiable, whoever carries it out. Hamas, I have heard, have about 10,000 fighters in Gaza. The Israelis have called up 360,000 reservists. If they can't "outclass" Hamas on the battlefield there's something far wrong. Epic victim blaming there. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 14, 2023 4:55:42 GMT
Precisely, only a 'Loon' would argue that the massacre of innocent people did not warrant a backlash of 'retribution' on the same scale, when in fact the appropriate term would be 'defending' themselves in a act of war. Oh dear, a play on words... Well you started it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Oct 14, 2023 5:26:55 GMT
The BBC has called the events of last Saturday "A Massacre" and they have called what happened as "Murder", but its not good enough for some people. Some people want the worlds MOST RESPECTED news organisation to be one sided, to take a particular side in this long running conflict. The BBC is not aligned to the British government ( of any political persuassion ) and neither should it be, ever. Every day, someone, somewhere is outraged that the BBC does not take their particular side Again Sid, you're found to be talking BS. As has been previously shown, the BBC don't mind throwing the word terrorism when it suits. Failing to call a proscribed terrorist group's actions (Hamas) as terrorism they've displayed how partial they are with this particular narrative. They've also demonstrated how partial they are over Brexit.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 14, 2023 6:54:10 GMT
The BBC has called the events of last Saturday "A Massacre" and they have called what happened as "Murder", but its not good enough for some people. Some people want the worlds MOST RESPECTED news organisation to be one sided, to take a particular side in this long running conflict.The BBC is not aligned to the British government ( of any political persuassion ) and neither should it be, ever. Every day, someone, somewhere is outraged that the BBC does not take their particular side Who wants that? - all I have seen are requests that the members of terrorist organisation be described as terrorists when they carry out terrorist attacks. Or are you suggesting the the BBC does not need to accurately report the news? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 14, 2023 6:56:40 GMT
Precisely, only a 'Loon' would argue that the massacre of innocent people did not warrant a backlash of 'retribution' on the same scale, when in fact the appropriate term would be 'defending' themselves in a act of war. Oh dear, a play on words. A report in the Guardian says that 1500 bodies of Hamas fighters were recovered inside Israel. Given that is around the number of Israeli deaths, the matter should have ended there. Instead, full of vengeance, the Israelis started the murder of innocents and the obliteration of Gaza. Really?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2023 7:19:20 GMT
Can someone explain why the deliberate massacre of 1200 innocent men, women and children is not a terrorist attack? Is a word so important, yes we all know it was a terrorist attack and those working at the BBC know it's a terrorist attack. If the BBC called it a terrorist attack they would have to call out Israel for what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank as terrorist attacks, for the sake of impartiality. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2023 7:22:07 GMT
No one is saying that. However, you seem very unwilling to accept that the Israeli state's reaction is also terrorism. They have murdered around 2000 people. Now they are telling people in the north to move south, giving them 24 hours to do it. The only thing is that they are being shot at, and bombed, when trying to move south! WTF do you want them to do, be sitting ducks? One thing we can all say with absolute confidence is that Israel are not sitting ducks, they have the backing of the western world, the most up to date weapons, supplied by the west and the money to annihilate most civilisations. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 14, 2023 8:07:41 GMT
Can someone explain why the deliberate massacre of 1200 innocent men, women and children is not a terrorist attack? Is a word so important, yes we all know it was a terrorist attack and those working at the BBC know it's a terrorist attack. If the BBC called it a terrorist attack they would have to call out Israel for what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank as terrorist attacks, for the sake of impartiality. Bollocks: Describing a proscribed terrorist organisation as such is hardly taking sides. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2023 8:12:10 GMT
Is a word so important, yes we all know it was a terrorist attack and those working at the BBC know it's a terrorist attack. If the BBC called it a terrorist attack they would have to call out Israel for what they are doing in Gaza and the West Bank as terrorist attacks, for the sake of impartiality. Bollocks: Describing a proscribed terrorist organisation as such is hardly taking sides. 98% of people 'killed' in the Israeli/Palestine conflict have been Palestinians, what is your definition of terrorism? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2023 8:19:01 GMT
So posters are saying that the BBC must call the purpetrators of these crimes "terrorists" because the government orders, or instructs them to do so. ?
Is the BBC "State Owned" or is it "Government Owned" ? there is a huge difference
Should our government follow the lead of North Korea, Iran and Russia, and editorialy control what the media can say, what words it should use. ?
This morning it has emerged that a CONSERVATIVE MP, Crispin Blunt, has as good as said that if the British government aides Israel, it would be guilty of complicity in war crimes against the Palestinian people. Many British people agree with Mr Blunt, as do millions of non-Palistinians around the world.
The reporting carried out over the last week by the BBC has been second to none, they produced graphic, tragic and heart breaking reports on what Hamas did to innocent Israelis, including many interviews with families who have suffered loss and who have had loved ones kidnapped.
On the other hand the BBC have visited the other side of the argument by reporting from inside Gaza, they have interviewed sympathisers of Hamas, interviewded Israeli government officials, ordinary Palestinians, Israeli military officials.
Instead of criticising the BBC for not using a particular word, you all ought to be VERY thankfull that we have the BBC, and not state broadcasters as in Belaruss or Russia.
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