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Post by Pacifico on Oct 11, 2023 21:28:56 GMT
So the same target for housebuilding that the present government has... Indeed. The question is can they succeed where the Tories didn't. (Actually there's another question over not just number, but the type, as there needs to be defined numbers of social (not just affordable) housing in there, and that will mean central government working with LAs to deliver this.) I have nothing against social housing but in places like London 50% of social housing goes to people who were not born in the UK. So perhaps we wouldn't be in as much need of social housing if we didn't import the destitute from the rest of the globe.. it's certainly not helping British citizens. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 12, 2023 0:09:03 GMT
Indeed. The question is can they succeed where the Tories didn't. (Actually there's another question over not just number, but the type, as there needs to be defined numbers of social (not just affordable) housing in there, and that will mean central government working with LAs to deliver this.) I have nothing against social housing but in places like London 50% of social housing goes to people who were not born in the UK. So perhaps we wouldn't be in as much need of social housing if we didn't import the destitute from the rest of the globe.. it's certainly not helping British citizens. Absolutely. Well said. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 12, 2023 6:04:58 GMT
Pacifico has a habit of quoting numbers that “have an estranged relationship with the truth”. As such it is always wise to treat any figure he quotes with a degree of skepticism unless evidenced.
While it is possible he is correct, Could we see the source of this claim please
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 12, 2023 6:25:38 GMT
Try visiting London.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 12, 2023 6:44:00 GMT
Pacifico has a habit of quoting numbers that “have an estranged relationship with the truth”. As such it is always wise to treat any figure he quotes with a degree of skepticism unless evidenced. While it is possible he is correct, Could we see the source of this claim please ONS, Labour Force Survey, Housing Tenure by HRP, Q2 2000-2016, Three year averages centred on 2000 and 2015. See Annex A. 
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Post by dappy on Oct 12, 2023 9:55:27 GMT
Thank you for showing a source Pacifico. As I said given you have a record of getting your figures wrong, either by accident or I suspect more often deliberately, that means that when you post more statistics your reputation goes before you and it is reasonable to suspect those statistics may be wrong or made up also.
Perhaps best if you do post statistics going forward to always include a source to avoid the issue and to make a special effort to ensure you are telling the truth.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 12, 2023 16:30:49 GMT
Yes - the same old dappy.
First you lie and then you obfuscate and then you move on..
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Post by ginnyg on Oct 13, 2023 7:07:14 GMT
Here's a quote from a report I read: " According to analysis of the latest council taxbase figures, there are 257,331 homes in England classed as long-term empty homes. Meaning they have been left vacant for more than 6 months." That figure could be considerably higher. When I was doing the Home Office Crime survey we were given 30 random addresses each month, and invariably there would be one empty property. If one in 30 homes are unoccupied that could mean as many as 700,000 vacant properties. So rather than building yet more houses underoccupancy of the current housing stock should be a priority. In utilising empty properties not only does it mean less new builds but also the added bonus that these properties are in established communities with the necessary resources (schools, hospitals, supermarkets etc.) already in place. Building new houses is not as easy as it sounds. Suitable land is becoming increasingly hard to find, and there are big problems when ground conditions are not suitably addressed: www.constructionenquirer.com/2023/09/27/barratt-to-demolish-more-homes-with-faulty-foundations/Housing giant Barratt has submitted plans to demolish 83 new homes on an estate in Cambridge built with faulty foundations. |
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Post by sheepy on Oct 14, 2023 8:53:01 GMT
Sounds great, of course he will need the infrastructure as well to support 1.5 million new homes. Which at a guess will take 50 years at least to put into place. 1.5 million homes will also make room for 6 million people going on about the average, some families are much larger of course.
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Post by sheepy on Oct 14, 2023 9:03:06 GMT
The cost of building a house ranges between £1800 to £3000 per square metre, not counting associated infrastructure, he must be rolling in cash. Not that I am saying this is all utter bollox of course, but it certainly seems that way.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 14, 2023 9:27:19 GMT
I mentioned a few days ago that last week Mrs R and I visited some countryside arts & crafts centre and became involved in a discussion with a few local people about the number of immigrants that had recently appeared in the local town. Someone involved in the discussion also mentioned that a large housing estate of 700 new houses was being built on greenbelt land on the outskirts of the town but crucially, local infrastructure is not being expanded to cope with an increase of 700 new families. There were no plans to build a school or a GP surgery and local lanes were built 200 years ago and are only suitable for a horse & cart. In my experience this lack of improving existing infrastructure when new homes are built seems to be repeated elswhere and does nothing but create more pressure on already stretched local services which affects everyone's quality of life.
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Post by ginnyg on Oct 14, 2023 10:27:41 GMT
I mentioned a few days ago that last week Mrs R and I visited some countryside arts & crafts centre and became involved in a discussion with a few local people about the number of immigrants that had recently appeared in the local town. Someone involved in the discussion also mentioned that a large housing estate of 700 new houses was being built on greenbelt land on the outskirts of the town but crucially, local infrastructure is not being expanded to cope with an increase of 700 new families. There were no plans to build a school or a GP surgery and local lanes were built 200 years ago and are only suitable for a horse & cart. In my experience this lack of improving existing infrastructure when new homes are built seems to be repeated elswhere and does nothing but create more pressure on already stretched local services which affects everyone's quality of life. All the more reason for utilising dormant existing stock - the infrastructure is already in place. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 7:15:04 GMT
Starmer also supports the breaking of International Law.
Shame on him and all those in Labour that support him.
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