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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 28, 2023 16:02:18 GMT
I note that dappy has corrected his earlier assertion that broadcasters have 'neutrality' obligations when in reality they are regulated for 'impartiality', a very different thing. In that respect, I haven't watched GB News enough to form an opinion as to their impartiality, and I don't believe that dappy has either. Perhaps they aren't, but then who really is? Take the vexed question of migrants arriving in small boats. Many people are very angry that this is allowed to continue and from time to time the BBC will even give voice to them in one of outside broadcast reports. But has anyone ever heard a BBC presenter or correspondent refer to the migrants in anything other than the most sympathetic terms? I certainly haven't, and not singling out the BBC, the same goes for every other mainstream broadcaster. Hardly an impartial stance, in my view. It's the same with the climate change narrative which is presented as unassailable fact across most of the MSM, despite significant numbers of the population and scientific community not agreeing.
When was the last time the MSM gave any meaningful time to any scientest who questions the data? That's right - it doesn't happen.
It was same during Covid - "Follow the science" like it was set in stone. And we all know where that got us.
Impartiality it ain't.
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Post by Orac on Sept 28, 2023 16:18:50 GMT
The democratic model is not for a received truth to define the borders of a public conversation, but rather the converse.
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Post by jonksy on Sept 29, 2023 2:45:06 GMT
The democratic model is not for a received truth to define the borders of a public conversation, but rather the converse. 'The BBC is no longer impartial': Fury after BBC gives Gary Lineker the green light to air his anti-Tory political views on social media despite Nazi tweet row - as MPs warn new rules will mean 'open season' for Beeb stars Updated BBC guidelines say big stars are 'free to express opinions'
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 29, 2023 6:18:39 GMT
It would be very hard to argue GB News are impartial Dan. At the very least they push that inpartiality test to its very limits. Again that's simply not true. Even on Farage's program (Mon-Thurs 7pm if you wan to a listen) he maintains strict impartiality. For example, he often interviews lawyers who represent asylum seekers on his program. He doesn't agree with their views but, as he says, he makes a point of letting the other side give their views. And, unlike the BBC who shut down people who start saying things they don't like, Farage doesn't interrupt. The same is true of Richard Tice who has had many people on his show who defend the Climate Change orthodoxy. And he often appeals for more people to come on the show and represent alternative views to his own. You should watch a bit of GB News, dappy. You might find a lot you agree with. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 29, 2023 6:24:51 GMT
The democratic model is not for a received truth to define the borders of a public conversation, but rather the converse. 'The BBC is no longer impartial': Fury after BBC gives Gary Lineker the green light to air his anti-Tory political views on social media despite Nazi tweet row - as MPs warn new rules will mean 'open season' for Beeb stars Updated BBC guidelines say big stars are 'free to express opinions'
Well the BBC have basically said what they like for years but this updating of the guidelines just gives their presenters carte blanche to carry on . |
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Post by Equivocal on Sept 29, 2023 6:31:12 GMT
The democratic model is not for a received truth to define the borders of a public conversation, but rather the converse. I think that's right; most sources agree that the removal of taxes and other measures aimed at preventing the publication of anti establishment news sheets was a step forward for democracy.
There is clearly a requirement for any state funded broadcaster to have a duty of impartiality. However, I struggle with the idea that private broadcasters should (and do) have the same duty and its absence might be damaging to democracy.
For the avoidance of doubt, my opinions are generally worlds away from many of those expressed on GB News.
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Post by dappy on Sept 29, 2023 9:01:20 GMT
I think the logic and aim of the rules Equivocal is to seek to ensure that voters are presented with fair arguments from both sides of the key political issues for them to judge their own political standpoint rather than being brainwashed by distorted information in effectively a 24 hour party political broadcast.
It’s a worthy aim in my view, although difficult to deliver in practice but I do question whether in the world of the internet and social media, has that worthy aim already been lost.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 30, 2023 3:38:29 GMT
It would be very hard to argue GB News are impartial Dan. At the very least they push that inpartiality test to its very limits. The question I asked was Does it matter? GB News employ Stephen Pound, who was a Labour MP for 22 years. Gloria De Piero is another Labour MP who worked for GB News. Aaron Bastani an outspoken critic of the Tories and co founder of left wing Novara Media is a regular on GB News as is James Schneider co founder of left wing Momentum and Corbyn advisor, I could go on. GB news is without doubt a centre right news channel, as the BBC is centre left. The difference being GB News is far less biased than the BBC, which would be fine if we weren't forced to pay for the BBC. The fact is you are criticising GB News because it has GB in the title. You Dappy have jumped onto the anti Brit band waggon that the corrupt and almost defunct organisation known as BLM used to wheel out at opportune times. I'm sure Starmer will forever regret that photo. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 30, 2023 4:38:42 GMT
It would be very hard to argue GB News are impartial Dan. At the very least they push that inpartiality test to its very limits. The question I asked was Does it matter? GB News employ Stephen Pound, who was a Labour MP for 22 years. Gloria De Piero is another Labour MP who worked for GB News. Aaron Bastani an outspoken critic of the Tories and co founder of left wing Novara Media is a regular on GB News as is James Schneider co founder of left wing Momentum and Corbyn advisor, I could go on. GB news is without doubt a centre right news channel, as the BBC is centre left. The difference being GB News is far less biased than the BBC, which would be fine if we weren't forced to pay for the BBC. The fact is you are criticising GB News because it has GB in the title. You Dappy have jumped onto the anti Brit band waggon that the corrupt and almost defunct organisation known as BLM used to wheel out at opportune times. I'm sure Starmer will forever regret that photo. You wouldn't see this on the BBC or Sky..
Birmingham police pull out of controversial Islamic conference after sparking outrage
West Midlands Police has pulled out of exhibiting at a religious conference this weekend after a GB News investigation uncovered a litany of controversial remarks by the speakers.
The Birmingham police were set to exhibit at the LPM Conference, hosted by the Islam Channel, at the International Convention Centre tomorrow.
But the force confirmed that it had retracted its attendance after GB News sent a dossier of controversial remarks that speakers had made about the Taliban, non-Muslims, Israel and politicians.
One of the personalities addressing the conference, Haitham Al-Haddad, was last month revealed by GB News Investigates as having attended a charity trip to Afghanistan where he praised the Taliban and called on the West to end sanctions.
Controversial cleric Haitham Al-Haddad said on Afghan state TV: “We have a message to the entire world: That, first of all, they need to engage more with the authorities of Afghanistan and the Afghani people. So engagement is so important. The second point is to end these economic sanctions, really that has to come to an end.”
Earlier in the programme, Al-Haddad said that Taliban ministers were “very soft” and “very gentle.”
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Post by jonksy on Sept 30, 2023 4:47:52 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 30, 2023 4:51:46 GMT
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Post by dappy on Sept 30, 2023 6:13:53 GMT
It would be very hard to argue GB News are impartial Dan. At the very least they push that inpartiality test to its very limits. The question I asked was Does it matter? GB News employ Stephen Pound, who was a Labour MP for 22 years. Gloria De Piero is another Labour MP who worked for GB News. Aaron Bastani an outspoken critic of the Tories and co founder of left wing Novara Media is a regular on GB News as is James Schneider co founder of left wing Momentum and Corbyn advisor, I could go on. GB news is without doubt a centre right news channel, as the BBC is centre left. The difference being GB News is far less biased than the BBC, which would be fine if we weren't forced to pay for the BBC. The fact is you are criticising GB News because it has GB in the title. You Dappy have jumped onto the anti Brit band waggon that the corrupt and almost defunct organisation known as BLM used to wheel out at opportune times. I'm sure Starmer will forever regret that photo. Drunk again |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 30, 2023 6:20:58 GMT
LOL, I should hope so, this stuff costs a fortune. I almost feel sorry for you Dappy. You're a sad case, not to worry. |
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Post by dappy on Sept 30, 2023 7:00:34 GMT
LOL, I should hope so, this stuff costs a fortune. I almost feel sorry for you Dappy. You're a sad case, not to worry. Enjoy your life, mate however you wish to do so. We only get one go at this (probably). Make sure you don’t let the booze get control but otherwise if that’s what you want to do, crack on. Have a good weekend. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Sept 30, 2023 7:21:53 GMT
Oh dear, dappy. Ad hominem attacks. You lose.
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