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Post by Steve on Nov 4, 2022 13:19:46 GMT
Your OP prejudged that the offender is a so called 'illegal'. Thank you for confirming you had no evidence to back that Why would he be in a hotel used for illegals, if he were not an illegal? Staff? |
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Post by piglet on Nov 4, 2022 13:26:12 GMT
Im with you red. Not to become outraged over this is the sick thing, especially when the whole charade could be avoided. And future crimes of all sorts. Its getting to the point where people will start taking action on there own. The police will act of course protecting the immigrants.
Firebombing a camp and then commiting suicide is not the way to go. The suicide bit. Dappy puts his faith in the system....for gods sake man. If that boy was my lad, id want blood.
The government and the legal system is broken beyond repair.
While the government sits on its hands. An emotional reaction, of rage, ? you bet.
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 4, 2022 14:00:17 GMT
Im with you red. Not to become outraged over this is the sick thing, especially when the whole charade could be avoided. And future crimes of all sorts. Its getting to the point where people will start taking action on there own. The police will act of course protecting the immigrants. Firebombing a camp and then commiting suicide is not the way to go. The suicide bit. Dappy puts his faith in the system....for gods sake man. If that boy was my lad, id want blood. The government and the legal system is broken beyond repair. While the government sits on its hands. An emotional reaction, of rage, ? you bet. I agree, I've said before that people are losing patience. If the government don't get a grip of this situation the public will. And getting a grip of the situation does not mean filling more hotels with illegals, it means stopping them landing on English beaches. Sadly clueless lefties in the Home Office, Labour party and indeed a couple on this forum have a history of jumping to the defence of illegals. I could have screamed earlier when Sunak said he is working hard to solve the overcrowding problem at Manston, and that the government had secured another 30 hotels! That is not solving the problem, it's making it worse.  |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 4, 2022 21:00:23 GMT
Im with you red. Not to become outraged over this is the sick thing, especially when the whole charade could be avoided. And future crimes of all sorts. Its getting to the point where people will start taking action on there own. The police will act of course protecting the immigrants. Firebombing a camp and then commiting suicide is not the way to go. The suicide bit. Dappy puts his faith in the system....for gods sake man. If that boy was my lad, id want blood. The government and the legal system is broken beyond repair. While the government sits on its hands. An emotional reaction, of rage, ? you bet. I agree, I've said before that people are losing patience. If the government don't get a grip of this situation the public will. And getting a grip of the situation does not mean filling more hotels with illegals, it means stopping them landing on English beaches. Sadly clueless lefties in the Home Office, Labour party and indeed a couple on this forum have a history of jumping to the defence of illegals. I could have screamed earlier when Sunak said he is working hard to solve the overcrowding problem at Manston, and that the government had secured another 30 hotels! That is not solving the problem, it's making it worse. We can see what is happening with just stop oil and extinction rebellion. The public have stood by and watched in disbelief as the road blockers have had their needs catered to whilst they sit in a traffic jam for several hours. People are getting out of their cars and moving the protestors themselves becasue the police will not. I am not sure how the public can counter the South Coast invasion but I am sure it will not end well. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 5, 2022 11:08:51 GMT
I agree, I've said before that people are losing patience. If the government don't get a grip of this situation the public will. And getting a grip of the situation does not mean filling more hotels with illegals, it means stopping them landing on English beaches. Sadly clueless lefties in the Home Office, Labour party and indeed a couple on this forum have a history of jumping to the defence of illegals. I could have screamed earlier when Sunak said he is working hard to solve the overcrowding problem at Manston, and that the government had secured another 30 hotels! That is not solving the problem, it's making it worse. We can see what is happening with just stop oil and extinction rebellion. The public have stood by and watched in disbelief as the road blockers have had their needs catered to whilst they sit in a traffic jam for several hours. People are getting out of their cars and moving the protestors themselves becasue the police will not. I am not sure how the public can counter the South Coast invasion but I am sure it will not end well. I agree, very soon the government may find that people have had enough of being ignored. Sooner or later, I fancy sooner, there is going to be trouble. As for the idiots who glue themselves to roads; my son lives in France, he recently told me that some idiots tried to stop traffic by using the same antics as they do in this country. However, the police were not needed, angry motorists none to gently cleared the road and within minutes traffic was moving. I have no idea why we're so placid and well mannered in this country. As I said, I sense that may be coming to an end. |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 6, 2022 10:06:41 GMT
Red, you are starting to become less and less coherent. There are no doubt perfectly respectable arguments for and against asylum, but if you keep posting ever more emotive factually incorrect nonsense, you not only undermine your argument on the issue but more seriously I fear may be undermining your mental health. The facts of course is that if any person seeking asylum is convicted of a serious crime, that will have a very detrimental effect on the applicants chance of a positive outcome to their application. For very serious offences the chance of a positive outcome once he leaves jail is vanishingly small. Indeed it is highly likely that even someone who has been granted asylum and become a refugee and is then convicted of a serious crime is highly likely to have that refugee status revoked. I know you are not the sharpest tool in the box, so I know I am wasting my time but it's pissing down, and I am waiting for it to stop to go and get the Sunday Papers so to pass the time. Firstly, we have great difficulty deporting foreign criminals, even after serving long prison sentences for serious crimes, rape, serious assaults, drug dealing a perfect example was the plane load of Jamaicans, at the last minute thanks to Left-wing Lawyers who made appeals to the Courts at the last minute asking a Court to postpone the deportations until yet another appeal could be made, some of them were taken off the plane, even though our laws state we can deport them if they have served a sentence of over 12 months Now for alleged Asylum Seekers or Economic Migrants posing as Asylum seekers, thousands of them have been entering the UK Unlawfully by any means possible for far too long, we do not know who they are or their country of origin, and more importantly do we know what they are, as most arrive with little or no identification papers it takes time to try and find out if at all possible, some get ashore and disappear into the woodwork Some will be genuine Asylum Seekers, some will not be, among them there will be some who may have links to terrorists' groups, fleeing justice wanted for serious crimes murder, rapists etc, however trying to find out is not easy and takes time and in some cases may not be possible, it all depends on if the country they do come is cooperative, until such time as that happens they are free to be on our streets , and provided with clothing food and shelter at taxpayers exspense, some will just vanish, why ? and what are they up to? It is said that 12,000 Albanians have landed on our shores unlawfully this year so far, many of them will have links to the Albanian Organised Crime Families, they aren't Boy Scouts, they are ruthless, in the South they have now taken over the Cocaine Trade, by force , we have enough of our own home-grown criminals we don't need to import more If you had not noticed, there are thousands of indigenous people living on the streets some of them are Veterans who have served their country well, and now have issues PTSD, addicted to drink, youngsters fleeing from violent homes, some with serious mental issues, do they get put up in Hotels in seaside towns fed and watered? No lucky to get a Hostel for a night, young boys and girls forced into prostitution to survive. etc Charity begins at home, but not for them. we are too soft our entire infrastructure is at breaking point we cannot with the best will in the world absorb anymore, we have nowhere to put them |
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Post by dappy on Nov 6, 2022 17:39:07 GMT
Typical Handyman post. It starts off with some abuse which just makes him look silly and then proceeds into a rant with little or no connection to the subject we have just been speaking about. That makes him look sillier still.
Nothing to do with asylum but in a sea of illiterate dross, he appears to make two points.
One we have seen ridiculous farces materialise as the Home Secretary at the start of the year ( I think we may had five since??) ignored policy and just pandered to the tabloids. This party has been in power now for 12 years and hence has had ample opportunity to write legislation in respect of overseas passport holders who have committed serious crimes. Yet the Government failed to ensure that deportations were legal under the laws it had drafted forcing the courts to intervene to prevent the Governments illegality wasting large sums of public money. Incompetence or shameful deliberate waste of money to get headlines? Either way shameful. No surprise that even on the revolving door of Tory party cabinets, none of the various Prime Ministers has seen fit to give Patel another chance at Government.
Handyman also raises the national disgrace of homelessness on our streets. The Tory government has had 12 years to fix this problem - they sort of did at the height of Covid lockdown but there are no votes in the homeless, no division to sow, no headlines in tabloids to earn, no donations to plunder. So the Tories do feck all. This is compounded by a major public sector employer whose ex-employees are massively disproportionately represented on our streets, in our alcoholism clinics and in our jails. And the Army chief brass, sipping on their state funded fine wines, don’t give a damn and the Government doesn’t either. Fecking shameful.
Time for a change.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 6, 2022 21:00:51 GMT
Please show us your evidence that the assailant was one of the 'refugees' and victim British and not the other way round. You would have more luck to talk a nun into remove her nickers mate. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 6, 2022 23:21:28 GMT
Grace Williams, leader of Waltham Forest Council, warned Home Secretary Suella Braverman: ‘I am not assured that there is a safeguarding plan in the hotel.’
There been 2 incidents at the same hotel of a boy being rapped
But the Government still use the hotel despite being warned its not suitable.
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Post by Steve on Nov 6, 2022 23:43:52 GMT
Please show us your evidence he wasn't. You would have more luck to talk a nun into remove her nickers mate. I'd say grow up but well you know Adults would have looked at the fact that the suspect was bailed as evidence they had a fixed address away from vulnerable refugees and added 2 and 2. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 6, 2022 23:48:02 GMT
You would have more luck to talk a nun into remove her nickers mate. I'd say grow up but well you know Adults would have looked at the fact that the suspect was bailed as evidence they had a fixed address away from vulnerable refugees and added 2 and 2.Yes your grasp of maths proceeds you. You use the same abacus as abbot. |
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