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Post by Bentley on Sept 24, 2023 15:50:30 GMT
Firearms officers can hardly be blamed for stepping back from firearms duties, the scrutiny they come under for discharging a firearm let alone shooting someone is stupid, who wants to live with that stress every day. As far as I'm aware this is in response to the shooting of Chris Kaba who of course was a good boy who loved him mum. He was also a known drug dealer who was linked to previous firearms offences and was only shot after a high speed police chase in which he refused to stop and was eventually brought to an end by the police ramming the car Kaba was driving, it is unclear whether the car was stolen but it was not registered to Kaba. But lets be clear, the reason the death of a drug dealing London gang member was so widely reported and prompted protests and demonstrations, is because he was black. This is what an eye witness told the London Evening Standard... Armed police jumped out and were shouting at the man to get out of the car, at least a dozen times. The guy in the car had a lot of opportunities to stop but he refused. He then started driving forwards towards a police car and smashed into it then reversed, he just wouldn't stop the vehicle.The car was linked to a previous firearms incident so the police had reasonable expectation the driver was armed. This would have put the firearms officers under obvious pressure. It's unfortunate someone died, but it was his choice to live a world of drugs, guns, gangs and drill music. In my opinion it's a gang member off the street, no biggie. He was driving an Audi Q8 SUV depending on what model it was they weigh up to two and half Tonnes , one hell of a bettering ram, all he had to do was do as he was told get out of the vehicle and he would still be alive.In a nutshell. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 24, 2023 21:06:32 GMT
Soldiers on standby to fill in for armed police officers.Soldiers could fill in for armed police after scores of Metropolitan Police officers stood down from firearms duties following a murder charge against one of their colleagues. Scotland Yard requested military support from the Ministry of Defence for counter-terrorism duties as a contingency option if armed officers are unavailable. A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said: "We have accepted a Military Aid to the Civil Authorities (MACA) request from the Home Office to provide routine counter-terrorism contingency support to the Metropolitan Police, should it be needed." www.forces.net/services/army/soldiers-standby-fill-after-dozens-londons-armed-police-downed-weapons-over
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 6:52:56 GMT
It's a tricky one this. On one hand you can understand the officers withdrawing from firearms details if one of their own is charged with murder, on the other hand, given the utter disgrace the Met is held in nowadays who is to say he did not do as charged.
And there's another problem: Honest officers are now in very real danger of being tarred with the same brush as the wrong 'uns. And, given that we have a commissioner on a mission to prove how hard he is on "Misconduct", it's not difficult to see how an innocent officer could end up thrown under the bus for political reasons.
We need the police more than ever, but who'd be a cop nowadays?
Again I agree with you, honest officers form the majority of our police force but the real problem seems to be the 'boys club' attitude of the whole organisation. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 25, 2023 11:24:36 GMT
Soldiers on standby to fill in for armed police officers.Soldiers could fill in for armed police after scores of Metropolitan Police officers stood down from firearms duties following a murder charge against one of their colleagues. Scotland Yard requested military support from the Ministry of Defence for counter-terrorism duties as a contingency option if armed officers are unavailable. A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said: "We have accepted a Military Aid to the Civil Authorities (MACA) request from the Home Office to provide routine counter-terrorism contingency support to the Metropolitan Police, should it be needed." www.forces.net/services/army/soldiers-standby-fill-after-dozens-londons-armed-police-downed-weapons-over Hopefully it will not come to that, depending on which media reports you read some claim hundreds of Firearms Officers no longer want to carry a firearm at this moment in time, from what I have read its appears about a hundred of them have basically stood down, as they fear should they open fire they could also end up charged and put on trial. The Met has the most armed officers than other forces just under 2,500 of them which IMO is no where near enough as TSM has pointed out they are all volunteers and must pass a very tough course to be accepted, and tested constantly if the get in, as I understand it there is always a small unit of the SAS in London to aid and advise the Met Firearms need be More info on the Mets Firearms en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Police_Specialist_Firearms_Command |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 25, 2023 11:33:38 GMT
Soldiers on standby to fill in for armed police officers.Soldiers could fill in for armed police after scores of Metropolitan Police officers stood down from firearms duties following a murder charge against one of their colleagues. Scotland Yard requested military support from the Ministry of Defence for counter-terrorism duties as a contingency option if armed officers are unavailable. A Ministry of Defence spokeswoman said: "We have accepted a Military Aid to the Civil Authorities (MACA) request from the Home Office to provide routine counter-terrorism contingency support to the Metropolitan Police, should it be needed." www.forces.net/services/army/soldiers-standby-fill-after-dozens-londons-armed-police-downed-weapons-over Hopefully it will not come to that, depending on which media reports you read some claim hundreds of Firearms Officers no longer want to carry a firearm at this moment in time, from what I have read its appears about a hundred of them have basically stood down, as they fear should they open fire they could also end up charged and put on trial. The Met has the most armed officers than other forces just under 2,500 of them which IMO is no where near enough as TSM has pointed out they are all volunteers and must pass a very tough course to be accepted, and tested constantly if the get in, as I understand it there is always a small unit of the SAS in London to aid and advise the Met Firearms need be More info on the Mets Firearms en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Police_Specialist_Firearms_CommandTbh Handyman armed soldiers in uniform supporting the police is nothing new, and you would probably be surprised to discover how often plain clothed soldiers carry a concealed firearms. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 25, 2023 11:35:16 GMT
Hopefully it will not come to that, depending on which media reports you read some claim hundreds of Firearms Officers no longer want to carry a firearm at this moment in time, from what I have read its appears about a hundred of them have basically stood down, as they fear should they open fire they could also end up charged and put on trial. The Met has the most armed officers than other forces just under 2,500 of them which IMO is no where near enough as TSM has pointed out they are all volunteers and must pass a very tough course to be accepted, and tested constantly if the get in, as I understand it there is always a small unit of the SAS in London to aid and advise the Met Firearms need be More info on the Mets Firearms en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Police_Specialist_Firearms_CommandTbh Handyman armed soldiers in uniform supporting the police is nothing new, and you would probably be surprised to discover how often plain clothed soldiers carry a concealed firearms. I agree yes they do and have for a long time |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 25, 2023 11:57:20 GMT
Tbh Handyman armed soldiers in uniform supporting the police is nothing new, and you would probably be surprised to discover how often plain clothed soldiers carry a concealed firearms. I agree yes they do and have for a long time But not as often as gang members. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 25, 2023 12:58:05 GMT
I agree yes they do and have for a long time But not as often as gang members. I agree 100% on that score, they are on our streets tooled up 24/7 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 25, 2023 13:03:04 GMT
But not as often as gang members. I agree 100% on that score, they are on our streets tooled up 24/7 It's just been reported that enough firearms officers have returned to armed duties without calling on the army for help. I wonder how much pressure was put on them. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 25, 2023 15:05:09 GMT
I agree 100% on that score, they are on our streets tooled up 24/7 It's just been reported that enough firearms officers have returned to armed duties without calling on the army for help. I wonder how much pressure was put on them. Pass on that , but I think the Home Sec may have influenced their decision she is backing them |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 25, 2023 15:11:13 GMT
It's just been reported that enough firearms officers have returned to armed duties without calling on the army for help. I wonder how much pressure was put on them. Pass on that , but I think the Home Sec may have influenced their decision she is backing them I listened to a retired police officer earlier who was interviewed on GB News. He was quite scathing and very blunt, he said the only reason many firearms officers are charged with criminal offences is because the powers that be are frightened of a 'certain community' rioting. And I have to say, I absolutely agree with him. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 25, 2023 15:25:48 GMT
Pass on that , but I think the Home Sec may have influenced their decision she is backing them I listened to a retired police officer earlier who was interviewed on GB News. He was quite scathing and very blunt, he said the only reason many firearms officers are charged with criminal offences is because the powers that be are frightened of a 'certain community' rioting. And I have to say, I absolutely agree with him. I do as well , that is what happened when Duggan a well known thug was shot dead by the Police, just been reading about an incident in Central London early this morning. Two Police Motorcyclist were in Offord Street when they saw a Scooter with two up drive through a red light, a short chase took place which resulted in the Scooter crashing the rider dies at the scene, the injured pillion passenger was arrested for being in possession of a Machete, if the dead rider is not white it could mean trouble The Met Commissioner is backing his Officers the same as the Home Sec |
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