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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 23, 2023 21:44:50 GMT
Somewhat inevitable really.
"Dozens of Metropolitan police firearms officers are refusing to go out on armed patrols after one of their colleagues was charged with murder.
More than 70 police marksmen said they want time to consider whether or not they wish to still carry a gun given their colleague is facing a murder charge.
Others are declining to go out on regular armed patrol and have remained at their stations while others said they will respond only in emergency situations.
It follows the charging of an armed officer, who has only been identified as NX121, with the murder of Chris Kaba in September last year."
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 23, 2023 21:47:33 GMT
Good.
As I've always said, society gets the policing it deserves. (Although, it will probably end in the compulsory arming of the police as per everywhere else). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 7:22:24 GMT
It's a tricky one this. On one hand you can understand the officers withdrawing from firearms details if one of their own is charged with murder, on the other hand, given the utter disgrace the Met is held in nowadays who is to say he did not do as charged.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 24, 2023 7:36:20 GMT
It's a tricky one this. On one hand you can understand the officers withdrawing from firearms details if one of their own is charged with murder, on the other hand, given the utter disgrace the Met is held in nowadays who is to say he did not do as charged.
And there's another problem: Honest officers are now in very real danger of being tarred with the same brush as the wrong 'uns. And, given that we have a commissioner on a mission to prove how hard he is on "Misconduct", it's not difficult to see how an innocent officer could end up thrown under the bus for political reasons.
We need the police more than ever, but who'd be a cop nowadays?
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Post by Handyman on Sept 24, 2023 8:30:29 GMT
It's a tricky one this. On one hand you can understand the officers withdrawing from firearms details if one of their own is charged with murder, on the other hand, given the utter disgrace the Met is held in nowadays who is to say he did not do as charged.
And there's another problem: Honest officers are now in very real danger of being tarred with the same brush as the wrong 'uns. And, given that we have a commissioner on a mission to prove how hard he is on "Misconduct", it's not difficult to see how an innocent officer could end up thrown under the bus for political reasons.
We need the police more than ever, but who'd be a cop nowadays?
I agree some people do tend to stereotype and tar all Police Officers with the same brush, there are 1,000 Officers and I believe some are Police Staff in the Met that are being investigated for misconduct criminal offences the rest of the 30 odd thousand Officers are not under suspicion at all, and trying to do the their job as well as they can a huge work load. The Firearms Officers that have stood down are concerned what will happen to them if they open fire in the future will they end up on a murder or wounding charge , Manchester Firearm Officers are meeting to discuss what they should do, London at the moment has very few Firearms Officers out on its streets at the moment, they may have to draft in Firearms Officers from the county forces . If the Officer now facing a murder trial is named publicly more will stand down IMO |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 24, 2023 8:47:44 GMT
I suspect that the coppers are aware or suspect that the officer was charged with murder over a poor decision .
High ranking coppers throwing the lower ranks under a bus .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 9:17:47 GMT
Good.
As I've always said, society gets the policing it deserves. (Although, it will probably end in the compulsory arming of the police as per everywhere else). Unlikely here, as they all have to pass psychometric tests which can easily be failed if an individual is not happy to pass it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 24, 2023 9:27:36 GMT
Good.
As I've always said, society gets the policing it deserves. (Although, it will probably end in the compulsory arming of the police as per everywhere else). Unlikely here, as they all have to pass psychometric tests which can easily be failed if an individual is not happy to pass it. The problem is that the carrying of firearms, the driving of police cars and various other things are voluntary in the police.
No officer has to drive. No officer has to carry a gun.
But the service is utterly dependent on those people and if no one volunteers it will have to be made compulsory.
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 24, 2023 13:05:18 GMT
Those of us above a certain age recall the shooting and assault occasioning grievous bodily harm of a certain Stephen Waldorf, whose crime was to drive a car similar in appearance to one owned by a wanted man.
Police opened fire without warning, emptying weapons into the vehicle and occupants. When one officer found to his disgust he was such a fucking lousy shot his entire magazine had failed to kill the guy he dragged him from the car and proceeded to break several bones in the face using the empty pistol as a club. He had to be dragged off the innocent victim of his illegal attempted murder and assault by fellow officers aghast at his behaviour.
In the aftermath he stood trial for attempted murder and assault occasioning grievous bodily harm AND WAS ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES. I’m not sure what happened to him but co defendants were returned to duty.
This i know because my mother’s police surgeon employer and my father’s best mate in school were drafted into the enquiry as investigators.
So, if a white guy in his own car can be opened up on and then beaten to within an inch of his life for the crime of owning a car similar to that belonging to a crook and vaguely resembling said crook, why should a fucking black man in a car NOT his own that IS the one used by a known criminal expect to be treated any differently…..
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Post by Handyman on Sept 24, 2023 13:37:50 GMT
Those of us above a certain age recall the shooting and assault occasioning grievous bodily harm of a certain Stephen Waldorf, whose crime was to drive a car similar in appearance to one owned by a wanted man. Police opened fire without warning, emptying weapons into the vehicle and occupants. When one officer found to his disgust he was such a fucking lousy shot his entire magazine had failed to kill the guy he dragged him from the car and proceeded to break several bones in the face using the empty pistol as a club. He had to be dragged off the innocent victim of his illegal attempted murder and assault by fellow officers aghast at his behaviour. In the aftermath he stood trial for attempted murder and assault occasioning grievous bodily harm AND WAS ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES. I’m not sure what happened to him but co defendants were returned to duty. This i know because my mother’s police surgeon employer and my father’s best mate in school were drafted into the enquiry as investigators. So, if a white guy in his own car can be opened up on and then beaten to within an inch of his life for the crime of owning a car similar to that belonging to a crook and vaguely resembling said crook, why should a fucking black man in a car NOT his own that IS the one used by a known criminal expect to be treated any differently….. Here is an account of what took place and the changes made en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Stephen_Waldorf |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 24, 2023 14:18:58 GMT
Firearms officers can hardly be blamed for stepping back from firearms duties, the scrutiny they come under for discharging a firearm let alone shooting someone is stupid, who wants to live with that stress every day.
As far as I'm aware this is in response to the shooting of Chris Kaba who of course was a good boy who loved him mum. He was also a known drug dealer who was linked to previous firearms offences and was only shot after a high speed police chase in which he refused to stop and was eventually brought to an end by the police ramming the car Kaba was driving, it is unclear whether the car was stolen but it was not registered to Kaba. But lets be clear, the reason the death of a drug dealing London gang member was so widely reported and prompted protests and demonstrations, is because he was black.
This is what an eye witness told the London Evening Standard...
Armed police jumped out and were shouting at the man to get out of the car, at least a dozen times. The guy in the car had a lot of opportunities to stop but he refused. He then started driving forwards towards a police car and smashed into it then reversed, he just wouldn't stop the vehicle.
The car was linked to a previous firearms incident so the police had reasonable expectation the driver was armed. This would have put the firearms officers under obvious pressure. It's unfortunate someone died, but it was his choice to live a world of drugs, guns, gangs and drill music. In my opinion it's a gang member off the street, no biggie.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 24, 2023 14:24:01 GMT
It's a tricky one this. On one hand you can understand the officers withdrawing from firearms details if one of their own is charged with murder, on the other hand, given the utter disgrace the Met is held in nowadays who is to say he did not do as charged. It's only tricky for firearms officers who are constantly under the spotlight. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 24, 2023 14:27:26 GMT
Firearms officers can hardly be blamed for stepping back from firearms duties, the scrutiny they come under for discharging a firearm let alone shooting someone is stupid, who wants to live with that stress every day. As far as I'm aware this is in response to the shooting of Chris Kaba who of course was a good boy who loved him mum. He was also a known drug dealer who was linked to previous firearms offences and was only shot after a high speed police chase in which he refused to stop and was eventually brought to an end by the police ramming the car Kaba was driving, it is unclear whether the car was stolen but it was not registered to Kaba. But lets be clear, the reason the death of a drug dealing London gang member was so widely reported and prompted protests and demonstrations, is because he was black. This is what an eye witness told the London Evening Standard... Armed police jumped out and were shouting at the man to get out of the car, at least a dozen times. The guy in the car had a lot of opportunities to stop but he refused. He then started driving forwards towards a police car and smashed into it then reversed, he just wouldn't stop the vehicle.The car was linked to a previous firearms incident so the police had reasonable expectation the driver was armed. This would have put the firearms officers under obvious pressure. It's unfortunate someone died, but it was his choice to live a world of drugs, guns, gangs and drill music. In my opinion it's a gang member off the street, no biggie. Somebodies slime bag is someone else's budding treasure, there is always hope. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 24, 2023 14:54:13 GMT
Firearms officers can hardly be blamed for stepping back from firearms duties, the scrutiny they come under for discharging a firearm let alone shooting someone is stupid, who wants to live with that stress every day. As far as I'm aware this is in response to the shooting of Chris Kaba who of course was a good boy who loved him mum. He was also a known drug dealer who was linked to previous firearms offences and was only shot after a high speed police chase in which he refused to stop and was eventually brought to an end by the police ramming the car Kaba was driving, it is unclear whether the car was stolen but it was not registered to Kaba. But lets be clear, the reason the death of a drug dealing London gang member was so widely reported and prompted protests and demonstrations, is because he was black. This is what an eye witness told the London Evening Standard... Armed police jumped out and were shouting at the man to get out of the car, at least a dozen times. The guy in the car had a lot of opportunities to stop but he refused. He then started driving forwards towards a police car and smashed into it then reversed, he just wouldn't stop the vehicle.The car was linked to a previous firearms incident so the police had reasonable expectation the driver was armed. This would have put the firearms officers under obvious pressure. It's unfortunate someone died, but it was his choice to live a world of drugs, guns, gangs and drill music. In my opinion it's a gang member off the street, no biggie. He was driving an Audi Q8 SUV depending on what model it was they weigh up to two and half Tonnes , one hell of a bettering ram, all he had to do was do as he was told get out of the vehicle and he would still be alive. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 15:42:31 GMT
Firearms officers can hardly be blamed for stepping back from firearms duties, the scrutiny they come under for discharging a firearm let alone shooting someone is stupid, who wants to live with that stress every day. As far as I'm aware this is in response to the shooting of Chris Kaba who of course was a good boy who loved him mum. He was also a known drug dealer who was linked to previous firearms offences and was only shot after a high speed police chase in which he refused to stop and was eventually brought to an end by the police ramming the car Kaba was driving, it is unclear whether the car was stolen but it was not registered to Kaba. But lets be clear, the reason the death of a drug dealing London gang member was so widely reported and prompted protests and demonstrations, is because he was black. This is what an eye witness told the London Evening Standard... Armed police jumped out and were shouting at the man to get out of the car, at least a dozen times. The guy in the car had a lot of opportunities to stop but he refused. He then started driving forwards towards a police car and smashed into it then reversed, he just wouldn't stop the vehicle.The car was linked to a previous firearms incident so the police had reasonable expectation the driver was armed. This would have put the firearms officers under obvious pressure. It's unfortunate someone died, but it was his choice to live a world of drugs, guns, gangs and drill music. In my opinion it's a gang member off the street, no biggie. He was driving an Audi Q8 SUV depending on what model it was they weigh up to two and half Tonnes , one hell of a bettering ram, all he had to do was do as he was told get out of the vehicle and he would still be alive.Not exactly rocket science is it Handy? If he had nothing to hide why did he still proceed to ram the vehicle into a MARKED police car? |
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