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Post by wapentake on Sept 24, 2023 17:29:06 GMT
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Post by sheepy on Sept 24, 2023 17:49:31 GMT
With the best part of a year before he will even get a trial. Imagine the stress of that on him and his family, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Post by Handyman on Sept 24, 2023 17:49:37 GMT
All the Police Officers present that night are duty bound to make a statement evidence as soon after the incident as possible of what they did and what they saw which will be put before the Jury in due course, as will any members of the public residents in the street that saw and heard what happened as per usual. Why do mention the Menendez shooting, two totally different scenarios no comparison at all Whatever the differences, these are two killings of civilians in London by armed police.
Those people interested in truth should be able to judge how similar the two killings were and whether the public should be as concerned with this latest killing as they were with the De Menezes killing after the evidence is weighed in court...
You are stating the flipping obvious, it is not for you or I to Judge anything that is for the Jury to decide when they hear all the evidence at the Officers trial. your anti Police bias is clouding your vision yet again IMO. Last year across Wales and England armed Police Officers were deployed on over 18,000 incidents to respond to incidents where firearms and other weapons were suspected of being used, the Police opened fire on four occasions |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 25, 2023 10:25:14 GMT
All the Police Officers present that night are duty bound to make a statement evidence as soon after the incident as possible of what they did and what they saw which will be put before the Jury in due course, as will any members of the public residents in the street that saw and heard what happened as per usual. Why do mention the Menendez shooting, two totally different scenarios no comparison at all Whatever the differences, these are two killings of civilians in London by armed police.
Those people interested in truth should be able to judge how similar the two killings were and whether the public should be as concerned with this latest killing as they were with the De Menezes killing after the evidence is weighed in court...
The Menendez shooting was fully investigated no Police Officer was charged, in the present situation of the Police Officer being charged with murder all the evidence will be presented to the Jury at his trial for them to Judge him, at this moment in time we the general public do not know what happened so cannot make an informed decision one way or the another |
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Post by bancroft on Sept 25, 2023 10:47:15 GMT
I have though for a long time now our armed policemen are on a no winner. They are dambed if they do and dammend if they don't. What a thankless task they have. Yes I agree 100% , if the man had been white I wonder if the CPS would have put the Officer on trial ? maybe or maybe not? Firearms Officers have been put on trial before this happened We will have to wait and see what happens at the trial, what is known at this time according to Wiki, The car he was driving, an Audi Q8, was believed by police to have been linked to a "firearms incident" the day before. On the day of the shooting, the Audi was followed by an unmarked police car until it was met by a police road block. Armed police who had been in a marked car approached on foot, Kaba refused to leave his car and drove it into one of the police cars, one of the armed officers fired a a single round at Kaba through the car windscreen. If that is the story then the police have a strong argument for it being a lawful killing. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 25, 2023 10:49:16 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 25, 2023 11:26:22 GMT
^^ I didn't say all police. ONE police officer sullied the Met by committing murder. No one supports him. Yes, but the whole Met must be punished, forever, for Wayne Couzens.
One wonders why there is this agenda to endlessly vilify the police, and the Met in particular, by the media, politicians, CPS, usual race-baiters, axe-grinders etc. etc.
I mean, we don't see the same vs the sainted NHS which is odd considering the hundreds more that they've murdered than the police.
Most odd.
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Post by patman post on Sept 25, 2023 11:43:25 GMT
Whatever the differences, these are two killings of civilians in London by armed police.
Those people interested in truth should be able to judge how similar the two killings were and whether the public should be as concerned with this latest killing as they were with the De Menezes killing after the evidence is weighed in court...
The Menendez shooting was fully investigated no Police Officer was charged, in the present situation of the Police Officer being charged with murder all the evidence will be presented to the Jury at his trial for them to Judge him, at this moment in time we the general public do not know what happened so cannot make an informed decision one way or the another The officers involved in killing De Menezes were closeted together after the shooting to agree their stories. Filling this the Crown Prosecution Service said that there was insufficient evidence** to prosecute any named individual police officers in a personal capacity. However, a criminal prosecution of the Commissioner in his official capacity on behalf of his police force was brought under the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974, on the failure of the duty of care due to De Menezes. The Commissioner was found guilty and his office was fined. The inquest returned an open verdict. The De Menezes family were paid £100,000 in compensation and all their costs were also covered… **Had an officer been shot, could you imagine that if the weapon(s) were found and the spent ammunition been retrieved, every effort would not have been made to link weapon, ammunition and shooter? But this was 20 years ago when the majority opinion of Police was probably different… |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 25, 2023 12:48:38 GMT
The Menendez shooting was fully investigated no Police Officer was charged, in the present situation of the Police Officer being charged with murder all the evidence will be presented to the Jury at his trial for them to Judge him, at this moment in time we the general public do not know what happened so cannot make an informed decision one way or the another The officers involved in killing De Menezes were closeted together after the shooting to agree their stories. Filling this the Crown Prosecution Service said that there was insufficient evidence** to prosecute any named individual police officers in a personal capacity. However, a criminal prosecution of the Commissioner in his official capacity on behalf of his police force was brought under the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974, on the failure of the duty of care due to De Menezes. The Commissioner was found guilty and his office was fined. The inquest returned an open verdict. The De Menezes family were paid £100,000 in compensation and all their costs were also covered… **Had an officer been shot, could you imagine that if the weapon(s) were found and the spent ammunition been retrieved, every effort would not have been made to link weapon, ammunition and shooter? But this was 20 years ago when the majority opinion of Police was probably different… I am fully aware of what happened back then , the reason no armed officer was charged because they were ordered to open fire by a senior officer, that is why the Commissioner Office were fined and compensation was paid and rightly so. The Kaba case its totally different to today there is no comparison, you are way out of date deal in the here and now with facts not your biased imagination. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 25, 2023 13:05:47 GMT
The difference today is that a Police officer has been charged for an alleged murder committed while on duty.
The public’s growing disquiet over the Met has probably led to possible cover ups becoming more difficult to hide, and for prosecutions to take place…
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2023 14:50:13 GMT
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Post by sheepy on Sept 25, 2023 16:33:51 GMT
The difference today is that a Police officer has been charged for an alleged murder committed while on duty. The public’s growing disquiet over the Met has probably led to possible cover ups becoming more difficult to hide, and for prosecutions to take place… But then you are not the judge or jury, so hinting that it might be all down to public outcry is a lot of bollox. When the case has been heard then you can surmise all you like. I still wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of the SAS hunting down their man though. |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 25, 2023 17:18:50 GMT
The difference today is that a Police officer has been charged for an alleged murder committed while on duty. The public’s growing disquiet over the Met has probably led to possible cover ups becoming more difficult to hide, and for prosecutions to take place… But then you are not the judge or jury, so hinting that it might be all down to public outcry is a lot of bollox. When the case has been heard then you can surmise all you like. I still wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of the SAS hunting down their man though. None in here knows what happened only those who were there do and what they know we will not know until the Officers trial takes place, if convicted he will get a life sentence, if found not guilty a cover has taken place in the eyes of some who hate the Police or any kind of authority and of course the Officer is a racist as are all Police Officers, even the non white officers. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 25, 2023 17:18:52 GMT
The officers involved in killing De Menezes were closeted together after the shooting to agree their stories. Filling this the Crown Prosecution Service said that there was insufficient evidence** to prosecute any named individual police officers in a personal capacity. However, a criminal prosecution of the Commissioner in his official capacity on behalf of his police force was brought under the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974, on the failure of the duty of care due to De Menezes. The Commissioner was found guilty and his office was fined. The inquest returned an open verdict. The De Menezes family were paid £100,000 in compensation and all their costs were also covered… **Had an officer been shot, could you imagine that if the weapon(s) were found and the spent ammunition been retrieved, every effort would not have been made to link weapon, ammunition and shooter? But this was 20 years ago when the majority opinion of Police was probably different… I am fully aware of what happened back then , the reason no armed officer was charged because they were ordered to open fire by a senior officer, that is why the Commissioner Office were fined and compensation was paid and rightly so. The Kaba case its totally different to today there is no comparison, you are way out of date deal in the here and now with facts not your biased imagination. I'm afraid that Pat still seems to be living in 1980. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Sept 25, 2023 17:22:28 GMT
The difference today is that a Police officer has been charged for an alleged murder committed while on duty. The public’s growing disquiet over the Met has probably led to possible cover ups becoming more difficult to hide, and for prosecutions to take place… What growing disquiet?
The Met still handle 10,000 incidents a day, so the public would seem quite happy to keep calling the police.
The current fauxtrage is entirely manufactured by the media, politicians, CPS, usual race-baiters, axe-grinders etc. etc.
Just wait until the next time there's a terrorist outrage and the police ride to the rescue. They'll be hailed as heroes again by the self-same idiots currently slagging them off.
And around we go.
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