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Post by Handyman on Sept 24, 2023 11:38:00 GMT
It was a complete balls up from start to finish I have though for a long time now our armed policemen are on a no winner. They are dambed if they do and dammend if they don't. What a thankless task they have. Yes I agree 100% , if the man had been white I wonder if the CPS would have put the Officer on trial ? maybe or maybe not? Firearms Officers have been put on trial before this happened We will have to wait and see what happens at the trial, what is known at this time according to Wiki, The car he was driving, an Audi Q8, was believed by police to have been linked to a "firearms incident" the day before. On the day of the shooting, the Audi was followed by an unmarked police car until it was met by a police road block. Armed police who had been in a marked car approached on foot, Kaba refused to leave his car and drove it into one of the police cars, one of the armed officers fired a a single round at Kaba through the car windscreen. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 11:41:29 GMT
I have though for a long time now our armed policemen are on a no winner. They are dambed if they do and dammend if they don't. What a thankless task they have. Yes I agree 100% , if the man had been white I wonder if the CPS would have put the Officer on trial ? maybe or maybe not? Firearms Officers have been put on trial before this happened We will have to wait and see what happens at the trial, what is known at this time according to Wiki, The car he was driving, an Audi Q8, was believed by police to have been linked to a "firearms incident" the day before. On the day of the shooting, the Audi was followed by an unmarked police car until it was met by a police road block. Armed police who had been in a marked car approached on foot, Kaba refused to leave his car and drove it into one of the police cars, one of the armed officers fired a a single round at Kaba through the car windscreen. If that of happend in the USA he would have died in a hail of lead and not by a single shot.
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Post by patman post on Sept 24, 2023 12:09:04 GMT
Yes I agree 100% , if the man had been white I wonder if the CPS would have put the Officer on trial ? maybe or maybe not? Firearms Officers have been put on trial before this happened We will have to wait and see what happens at the trial, what is known at this time according to Wiki, The car he was driving, an Audi Q8, was believed by police to have been linked to a "firearms incident" the day before. On the day of the shooting, the Audi was followed by an unmarked police car until it was met by a police road block. Armed police who had been in a marked car approached on foot, Kaba refused to leave his car and drove it into one of the police cars, one of the armed officers fired a a single round at Kaba through the car windscreen. If that of happend in the USA he would have died in a hail of lead and not by a single shot.
EDIT.... Possibly, but this is not the USA, where drivers are advised to keep their hands in sight if they are ever pulled over by Police… |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 12:12:46 GMT
If that of happend in the USA he would have died in a hail of lead and not by a single shot.
EDIT.... Possibly, but this is not the USA, where drivers are advised to keep their hands in sight if they are ever pulled over by Police… But didn't the accused ram his car into a police vehicle? If he had nothing to hide why didn't he obey the armed officer/s? |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 24, 2023 12:45:32 GMT
Possibly, but this is not the USA, where drivers are advised to keep their hands in sight if they are ever pulled over by Police… But didn't the accused ram his car into a police vehicle? If he had nothing to hide why didn't he obey the armed officer/s? On this occasion and many other occasions even here our Police will carry out what is called a Hard Stop and they will order the driver and any passengers to show their hands, and do as they are told, A "Hard Stop" is a tactic used by police officers to stop a suspect without any pre-warning, the element of surprise gives officers the advantage, and it is most commonly used on suspected drug dealers and suspected armed individuals The tactic involves armed officers in police vehicles boxing in a suspect's car and confronting them. It is used to stop a vehicle believed to contain dangerous criminal |
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Post by patman post on Sept 24, 2023 12:48:54 GMT
Possibly, but this is not the USA, where drivers are advised to keep their hands in sight if they are ever pulled over by Police… But didn't the accused ram his car into a police vehicle? If he had nothing to hide why didn't he obey the armed officer/s? That may have been the case — it’s reported he crashed into a police vehicle — but we only have (I believe) a Police statement claiming his intention was to ram them or the vehicle. After the misleading info put out following the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes by armed Police, my inclination is to wait for clearer evidence than statements made in the heat of the moment. Hopefully, all this should come out any trial… |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 24, 2023 12:53:19 GMT
But didn't the accused ram his car into a police vehicle? If he had nothing to hide why didn't he obey the armed officer/s? That may have been the case — it’s reported he crashed into a police vehicle — but we only have (I believe) a Police statement claiming his intention was to ram them or the vehicle. After the misleading info put out following the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes by armed Police, my inclination is to wait for clearer evidence than statements made in the heat of the moment. Hopefully, all this should come out any trial… But as per usual the trial has already started by social media. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 13:59:47 GMT
But didn't the accused ram his car into a police vehicle? If he had nothing to hide why didn't he obey the armed officer/s? That may have been the case — it’s reported he crashed into a police vehicle — but we only have (I believe) a Police statement claiming his intention was to ram them or the vehicle. After the misleading info put out following the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes by armed Police, my inclination is to wait for clearer evidence than statements made in the heat of the moment. Hopefully, all this should come out any trial… I tend to put police evidence above that provided by the criminal elements. It's fair to say that the police are on the side of honesty, law and order. The criminals are not. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 24, 2023 14:15:56 GMT
That may have been the case — it’s reported he crashed into a police vehicle — but we only have (I believe) a Police statement claiming his intention was to ram them or the vehicle. After the misleading info put out following the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes by armed Police, my inclination is to wait for clearer evidence than statements made in the heat of the moment. Hopefully, all this should come out any trial… I tend to put police evidence above that provided by the criminal elements. It's fair to say that the police are on the side of honesty, law and order. The criminals are not. But are statements on behalf of the police made at the time and not under evidence, reliable? And with reference to the current incident (and the De Menezes case), have any “criminal elements” been reported as making statements or giving evidence…? PS — a number of recent events resulting in Police officers being arrested and found guilty of crimes including murder tend to stretch the belief that all police “are on the side of honesty, law and order”… |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2023 14:18:18 GMT
^^ I didn't say all police.
ONE police officer sullied the Met by committing murder. No one supports him.
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Post by bancroft on Sept 24, 2023 15:50:44 GMT
I knew a guy in the police not firearms yet uniform yet at a middle ranking grade he had a firearm because organised crime can get to the police and when it happens there is no public reporting until they can solve it. Often they can't, very dangerous these days for those above the rank of sergeant.
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Post by sheepy on Sept 24, 2023 16:06:40 GMT
I knew a guy in the police not firearms yet uniform yet at a middle ranking grade he had a firearm because organised crime can get to the police and when it happens there is no public reporting until they can solve it. Often they can't, very dangerous these days for those above the rank of sergeant. Not like the good old days Bancroft, where you had the masons with fingers in both pies ran the local businesses and the courts while charity started at home, everybody knew the rules. I am sure they still carry some weight here and there but nothing like as much. |
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Post by bancroft on Sept 24, 2023 16:39:10 GMT
I knew a guy in the police not firearms yet uniform yet at a middle ranking grade he had a firearm because organised crime can get to the police and when it happens there is no public reporting until they can solve it. Often they can't, very dangerous these days for those above the rank of sergeant. Not like the good old days Bancroft, where you had the masons with fingers in both pies ran the local businesses and the courts while charity started at home, everybody knew the rules. I am sure they still carry some weight here and there but nothing like as much. Agree broadly on that though not it was the good old days, reminded of that expression, 'the past was a foreign country.' |
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Post by Handyman on Sept 24, 2023 16:47:10 GMT
But didn't the accused ram his car into a police vehicle? If he had nothing to hide why didn't he obey the armed officer/s? That may have been the case — it’s reported he crashed into a police vehicle — but we only have (I believe) a Police statement claiming his intention was to ram them or the vehicle. After the misleading info put out following the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes by armed Police, my inclination is to wait for clearer evidence than statements made in the heat of the moment. Hopefully, all this should come out any trial… All the Police Officers present that night are duty bound to make a statement evidence as soon after the incident as possible of what they did and what they saw which will be put before the Jury in due course, as will any members of the public residents in the street that saw and heard what happened as per usual. Why do mention the Menendez shooting, two totally different scenarios no comparison at all |
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Post by patman post on Sept 24, 2023 17:25:19 GMT
That may have been the case — it’s reported he crashed into a police vehicle — but we only have (I believe) a Police statement claiming his intention was to ram them or the vehicle. After the misleading info put out following the killing of Jean Charles de Menezes by armed Police, my inclination is to wait for clearer evidence than statements made in the heat of the moment. Hopefully, all this should come out any trial… All the Police Officers present that night are duty bound to make a statement evidence as soon after the incident as possible of what they did and what they saw which will be put before the Jury in due course, as will any members of the public residents in the street that saw and heard what happened as per usual. Why do mention the Menendez shooting, two totally different scenarios no comparison at all Whatever the differences, these are two killings of civilians in London by armed police.
Those people interested in truth should be able to judge how similar the two killings were and whether the public should be as concerned with this latest killing as they were with the De Menezes killing after the evidence is weighed in court...
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