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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 19:23:12 GMT
Just telling you how it is Toomy . You need to toughen up and stop the denial . apart from the devastating revelations to your fellow countrymen , what have you told me ben e? Selling england down the river to the eu is going to stop scot indy? Really?
I knew you were a man who operates on blind faith , i just didnt understand how deep it runs.
The closer we get to the EU the less the FREEDOM! because of brexit is valid . I didn’t sell us out toomy . I’m just telling you how it is . Talking of blind faith , just how humiliated are you by trusting the SNP . You blindly followed the SNP , worshipped wee Jimmy and what have you got for it? They betrayed you and the rest of the snats …and to make it worse a Labour/ LibDem government may take away FREEDOM! I feel for you toolly. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 19:23:48 GMT
i can see why starmer thinks england is a done deal if he comes on this forum to read the wittering delusions of darling , and that turncoat bently. i suspect the majority of proud englishmen are made of sterner stuff than fragile ben e.
labour arent taking back some of scotland sheepy , its more that the snp are giving it away with their deluded fantasy talk , and lack of action on scot indy. Still , i must acknowledge grudgingly useless has improved them somewhat in the polls recently , but i do wonder if they will lose this by election , could it be a sign of things to come or will starmer do his usual and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?
No come now about it, I didn't come down in the last rain shower. I have been around this bunch of shysters a very long-time. In their eyes they are just being clever. i know sheepy , but you are made of sterner sutf than lilly livered ben e or his new found pro european mate. labours problems as i say time and again is they think everyone is dumber than they are .
i think there are wuite a few large elephants in the room wating for starmer , and i cant see how any voter could find the repellant rachel reeve or gobshite rayner credible. Can starmer hold the left wing vote , and bring on board both pro and anti europeans to achieve victory ?
exciting stuff.
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 19:25:17 GMT
apart from the devastating revelations to your fellow countrymen , what have you told me ben e? Selling england down the river to the eu is going to stop scot indy? Really?
I knew you were a man who operates on blind faith , i just didnt understand how deep it runs.
The closer we get to the EU the less the FREEDOM! because of brexit is valid . ok. I asked darling this earlier turncoat , and now im asking you. Could you prove this or give me a link that shows scottish independence is largely all about englands brexit?
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 19:26:58 GMT
Just trying to cheer you up toomy. Its not a good day to be you . ive had an absolutely fantastic day ben e. watching you turn coat , and arse lick with your former tormentor and now pro european friend has been funny. Nah. That was a delusion . You can’t process the reality that Starmer may just take away your wet dream of ….FREEDOM! The weak minded tend to blame the messenger. You will go to bed a better and more informed man than you were when you got up. Don’t thank me . |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 19:31:05 GMT
The closer we get to the EU the less the FREEDOM! because of brexit is valid . ok. I asked darling this earlier turncoat , and now im asking you. Could you prove this or give me a link that shows scottish independence is largely all about englands brexit?
What is there to prove , liar? You tend to bang in about a future in the EU after FREEDOM! . When the whole of the EU is close to the EU then that part of the argument evaporates. Then you will just have freedom for freedoms sake and keeping the Sassanachs away from your treasure . I explained that in a previous post Toomy , try to keep up. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 19:35:02 GMT
ive had an absolutely fantastic day ben e. watching you turn coat , and arse lick with your former tormentor and now pro european friend has been funny. Nah. That was a delusion . You can’t process the reality that Starmer may just take away your wet dream of ….FREEDOM! The weak minded tend to blame the messenger. You will go to bed a better and more informed man than you were when you got up. Don’t thank me . well im waiting on your proof about how selling england back into the eu is going to stop scottish indy. a few years back o nthe old forum , it was nigel and boris who were your heroes , and the world was your oyster , and now ben e the turncoat is reduced down to being the europhile starmers cheerleader who is going to save the uk by selling it back into brussells rule.
i dont want to hear one of your homilys ben e. We want to see evidence of your claims.
i try and learn new things every day ben e , but i can honestly say not once in the years since i joined the old forum , or on this one , have i learned a single thing from you except the ability to laugh at your posts.
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 19:40:44 GMT
ok. I asked darling this earlier turncoat , and now im asking you. Could you prove this or give me a link that shows scottish independence is largely all about englands brexit?
What is there to prove , liar? You tend to bang in about a future in the EU after FREEDOM! . When the whole of the EU is close to the EU then that part of the argument evaporates. Then you will just have freedom for freedoms sake and keeping the Sassanachs away from your treasure . I explained that in a previous post Toomy , try to keep up. im asking you to back up darlings claim , and your implication that somehow scot indy is largely all about brexit , and rejoining is going to stop scot indy in its tracks. Humza yousaf and sturgeon seem to have done a better job so far than any politician in london .
no i dont. i repetedly point out scotland is a pro european country , and most of our political parties favour rejoin or at least EFTA , but on a personal level , the eu , like the morachy and much else is a side issue.sorry if i cant get myself worked up in a passion for you ben e about the eu and rejoin , but it just isnt that important to me personally.
ive championed brexit in terms of supporting democracy for years such is my small regard for eu membership .
i know you have turncoat , but i keep telling you ben e little people always manage to have little fixes for all the big and complicated problems in the world today.
If you think the world is 6000 years old , or snakes talk , or keir starmer is going to fix all the ills of bwitian by rejoining the EU , who am i to shatter your wee dreams?
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 23, 2023 19:49:01 GMT
Yeah, I did make the claim. Any mitigation of Brexit will result in a reduction of support for Scottish independence. im intrigued darling , how these great and complicated p[roblems that beset both the uk and the world are so eaily solved in the imagination of little men.
We have you , telling us all the ills of the world will be swept away when engerlund rejoins the eu. Talking about how england rejoining the eu is going to stop us jocks dead in our tracks is a new one to me.
Perhaps it escaped your notice that the snp first came to power in 2007 , some 9 years prior to the brexit ref , or how they won their first landlside in 2001 which prompted the indy ref two years prior to brexit. of the three centuries of constant rebellion armed uprisings and political movements for scotland to gain independence.
but hey once agin why let facts get in the way of a good old rip roaring fantasy.
thats all it is .....a claim. I notice your choice use of words though , that im taking as a tacit admission of a climb down , where you have went from brexit caused some almighty "surge" your word not mine , in support of scot indy( which you cant back up) to now saying any mitigation of brexit will cause a reduction . 
It isn't about not being able to back my position up, Toejam - it's about not having the inclination to spend any time reading through reports. We've been repeatedly toldby the media that Brexit has galvanized support for Brexit in Scotland. Here's an extract from from one study. It's from 2019. It was the first thing that came up when I googled. I'm not inclined to spend any more time on this than that: However, in 2016 (when SSA was conducted after the EU referendum) a gap opened between Europhiles and Eurosceptics on the independence question. As many as 53% of Europhiles were now in favour of independence, compared with 44% of Eurosceptics. That gap has widened every year since. As a result, while, at 43%, support for independence among Eurosceptics is still much the same as it was in 2016, the proportion has increased by nine points (from 53% to 62%) among Europhiles (a group that we saw earlier has also become larger in size since 2016). In short, our latest survey affirms the evidence in Curtice
and Montagu (2018) that attitudes towards Brexit have become
intertwined with views on the independence debate – and further implies
that much of the growth in support for independence over the last two
years has occurred among those who are relatively favourably disposed
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 23, 2023 19:52:26 GMT
Well at least it’s a change from using insults that you borrowed from Darling. Its a bad day to be toomy . Hes found out that Braveheart wasn’t a documentary. Willie lied . Supergran isn’t real . Kier Starmer might take way his hope of FREEDOM! The French didn’t help the Scots when they needed them the most All if that on top of being betrayed and made a fool by the SNP. No wonder he’s upset . stop hiding behind your new best pro european friend turncoat. first shot being fired at the english lines , and ben e is running the white flag up and surrendering to europe.
you can fill all the big white spaces you like with meaningless drivel , but in the eyes of your fellow englishmen , you are yellow and an embarresment to the anglo saxon nation ben e.
ive got more respect for my mate vinny and his sidekick ommy for their unflinching support of brexit than a weather vane like you ben e.
Is that the same white feather the Irish independence movement sent you, Toejam? When are you chicken shits going to do something? At least glue your faces to a road or something. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 23, 2023 19:53:42 GMT
What's the latest news from Chicken Wings over Scotland, Toejam?
When's the revolution due?
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 19:55:26 GMT
Nah. That was a delusion . You can’t process the reality that Starmer may just take away your wet dream of ….FREEDOM! The weak minded tend to blame the messenger. You will go to bed a better and more informed man than you were when you got up. Don’t thank me . well im waiting on your proof about how selling england back into the eu is going to stop scottish indy. a few years back o nthe old forum , it was nigel and boris who were your heroes , and the world was your oyster , and now ben e the turncoat is reduced down to being the europhile starmers cheerleader who is going to save the uk by selling it back into brussells rule.
i dont want to hear one of your homilys ben e. We want to see evidence of your claims.
i try and learn new things every day ben e , but i can honestly say not once in the years since i joined the old forum , or on this one , have i learned a single thing from you except the ability to laugh at your posts.
Toomy, you need to read the words on the page not the ones in your head . My premise was that the closer we get to the EU the more the argument for FREEDOM! to join the EU will weaken . I’ve told you this several times and it doesn’t seem to have hit the spot . I know that you gave little grasp of reality by you belief that SuperGran was based in a historical character but at least make an effort . We,are debating what may or may not happen , that’s what debate forums are for. The SNP offered you so much but ended up humiliating you and your snat chums so I understand your need for proof . |
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 19:59:54 GMT
im intrigued darling , how these great and complicated p[roblems that beset both the uk and the world are so eaily solved in the imagination of little men.
We have you , telling us all the ills of the world will be swept away when engerlund rejoins the eu. Talking about how england rejoining the eu is going to stop us jocks dead in our tracks is a new one to me.
Perhaps it escaped your notice that the snp first came to power in 2007 , some 9 years prior to the brexit ref , or how they won their first landlside in 2001 which prompted the indy ref two years prior to brexit. of the three centuries of constant rebellion armed uprisings and political movements for scotland to gain independence.
but hey once agin why let facts get in the way of a good old rip roaring fantasy.
thats all it is .....a claim. I notice your choice use of words though , that im taking as a tacit admission of a climb down , where you have went from brexit caused some almighty "surge" your word not mine , in support of scot indy( which you cant back up) to now saying any mitigation of brexit will cause a reduction .
It isn't about not being able to back my position up, Toejam - it's about not having the inclination to spend any time reading through reports. We've been repeatedly toldby the media that Brexit has galvanized support for Brexit in Scotland. Here's an extract from from one study. It's from 2019. It was the first thing that came up when I googled. I'm not inclined to spend any more time on this than that: However, in 2016 (when SSA was conducted after the EU referendum) a gap opened between Europhiles and Eurosceptics on the independence question. As many as 53% of Europhiles were now in favour of independence, compared with 44% of Eurosceptics. That gap has widened every year since. As a result, while, at 43%, support for independence among Eurosceptics is still much the same as it was in 2016, the proportion has increased by nine points (from 53% to 62%) among Europhiles (a group that we saw earlier has also become larger in size since 2016). In short, our latest survey affirms the evidence in Curtice
and Montagu (2018) that attitudes towards Brexit have become
intertwined with views on the independence debate – and further implies
that much of the growth in support for independence over the last two
years has occurred among those who are relatively favourably disposed
towards the EUno thats a nonsense post , and nothing more than a mere word salad that doesnt show anything like what you are trying to imply.
in 2014 , two years before brexit , we had 45 % of scots voters vote for independence even if it meant scotland being kicked out of the european union. Agreed?
Thats the starting point.
Your claim is now here in 2023 , and subsequently since brexit , that scottish indy is now entertwined with the brexit debate , with the implication through this thread from you and your new mate ben e the turncoat , that rejoin will end scot indy or take it off the table. Where is the proof of that fact? Its certainly not in your word salad post above despite your depserate attmpts to scour the inter webby for something anythig to back up your claim brexits reversal will make all the problems with scot indy dissapear.
Here we have the latest poll taken by the company find out now two weeks ago.
Should Scotland be an independent country? (Find Out Now / Independent Voices, 5th-12th September 2023)
Yes 49.4%
No 46.2%
A rough recalculation suggests that if Don't Knows are stripped out, and if rounding to the nearest whole number is done, the result is -
Yes 52%
No 48%
thats 52 % of scots polled wil lvote for indy tomorrow despite the side issues like brexit or the monarchy or any other fantasy you care to conjure up. We also know a further 20 % of scots arent opposed to independence in principle , those who largely support devo max , voted yes in 1997 .
Ive never met a single scot who is either supportive of scottish indy , or against it based on a single issue like brexit , or because of a single politician or political party. desperate stuff darling , but what does one expect from you and your delusions of silent majorities and simplistic fixes .
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 23, 2023 20:01:54 GMT
It isn't about not being able to back my position up, Toejam - it's about not having the inclination to spend any time reading through reports. We've been repeatedly toldby the media that Brexit has galvanized support for Brexit in Scotland. Here's an extract from from one study. It's from 2019. It was the first thing that came up when I googled. I'm not inclined to spend any more time on this than that: However, in 2016 (when SSA was conducted after the EU referendum) a gap opened between Europhiles and Eurosceptics on the independence question. As many as 53% of Europhiles were now in favour of independence, compared with 44% of Eurosceptics. That gap has widened every year since. As a result, while, at 43%, support for independence among Eurosceptics is still much the same as it was in 2016, the proportion has increased by nine points (from 53% to 62%) among Europhiles (a group that we saw earlier has also become larger in size since 2016). In short, our latest survey affirms the evidence in Curtice
and Montagu (2018) that attitudes towards Brexit have become
intertwined with views on the independence debate – and further implies
that much of the growth in support for independence over the last two
years has occurred among those who are relatively favourably disposed
towards the EUno thats a nonsense post , and nothing more than a mere word salad that doesnt show anything like what you are trying to imply.
in 2014 , two years before brexit , we had 45 % of scots voters vote for independence even if it meant scotland being kicked out of the european union. Agreed?
Thats the starting point.
Your claim is now here in 2023 , and subsequently since brexit , that scottish indy is now entertwined with the brexit debate , with the implication through this thread from you and your new mate ben e the turncoat , that rejoin will end scot indy or take it off the table. Where is the proof of that fact? Its certainly not in your word salad post above despite your depserate attmpts to scour the inter webby for something anythig to back up your claim brexits reversal will make all the problems with scot indy dissapear.
Here we have the latest poll taken by the company find out now two weeks ago.
Should Scotland be an independent country? (Find Out Now / Independent Voices, 5th-12th September 2023)
Yes 49.4%
No 46.2%
A rough recalculation suggests that if Don't Knows are stripped out, and if rounding to the nearest whole number is done, the result is -
Yes 52%
No 48%
thats 52 % of scots polled wil lvote for indy tomorrow despite the side issues like brexit or the monarchy or any other fantasy you care to conjure up. We also know a further 20 % of scots arent opposed to independence in principle , those who largely support devo max , voted yes in 1997 .
Ive never met a single scot who is either supportive of scottish indy , or against it based on a single issue like brexit , or because of a single politician or political party. desperate stuff darling , but what does one expect from you and your delusions of silent majorities and simplistic fixes .
Wow! Tough crowd. All I know is that it says that the increase in support is due to Brexit. You're shit out of luck if you don't like that, Toejam. |
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Post by thomas on Sept 23, 2023 20:03:43 GMT
stop hiding behind your new best pro european friend turncoat. first shot being fired at the english lines , and ben e is running the white flag up and surrendering to europe.
you can fill all the big white spaces you like with meaningless drivel , but in the eyes of your fellow englishmen , you are yellow and an embarresment to the anglo saxon nation ben e.
ive got more respect for my mate vinny and his sidekick ommy for their unflinching support of brexit than a weather vane like you ben e.
Is that the same white feather the Irish independence movement sent you, Toejam? When are you chicken shits going to do something? At least glue your faces to a road or something. i dont think scot indy is going to take lesson in independence from the likes of you and your pro european mates who want to stab your fellow englishmen in the back. The brave irish heroes got up off their arse and did something , rahter than sitting whining about democracy not being fair .
the man who earlier told me he couldnt be bothered backing up his latest drivel on this forum demanding we do something? self awareness isnt your strong point dyno is it ?
i suppose being beaten five nil by your fellow english at election times sort of sends you over the edge .
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Post by Bentley on Sept 23, 2023 20:03:56 GMT
What is there to prove , liar? You tend to bang in about a future in the EU after FREEDOM! . When the whole of the EU is close to the EU then that part of the argument evaporates. Then you will just have freedom for freedoms sake and keeping the Sassanachs away from your treasure . I explained that in a previous post Toomy , try to keep up. im asking you to back up darlings claim , and your implication that somehow scot indy is largely all about brexit , and rejoining is going to stop scot indy in its tracks. Humza yousaf and sturgeon seem to have done a better job so far than any politician in london .
no i dont. i repetedly point out scotland is a pro european country , and most of our political parties favour rejoin or at least EFTA , but on a personal level , the eu , like the morachy and much else is a side issue.sorry if i cant get myself worked up in a passion for you ben e about the eu and rejoin , but it just isnt that important to me personally.
ive championed brexit in terms of supporting democracy for years such is my small regard for eu membership .
i know you have turncoat , but i keep telling you ben e little people always manage to have little fixes for all the big and complicated problems in the world today.
If you think the world is 6000 years old , or snakes talk , or keir starmer is going to fix all the ills of bwitian by rejoining the EU , who am i to shatter your wee dreams?
No one here is able to tell the future , liar . I never said that FRREDOM! Was all about Brexit l I’ve explained this to you several times . You have banged on about Brexit liar, in fact you seem to think that FREEDOM! Is more about Brexit than me . Toomy , you are one of the little people . You have been screwed by the people that you trusted to deliver FREEDOM! and if Starmer ends up getting the UK closer to the EU then the snat argument for FREEDOM! to get closer to the EU will evaporate ….if. And once again you use the Ad hom that you stole from darling . To think that snat central chose you to troll the Sassanachs. You must be a great disappointment to them 😁 |
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