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Post by dappy on Nov 2, 2022 12:28:33 GMT
Starting to get a feel for this guy.
He is clearly a bright guy and I suspect will break the trend since Blair that every subsequent Prime Minister has been worse than his predecessor. He doesnt strike me as coming across as empathetic - he is a little robotic in public and comes across as a politician playing the game. Unless he can sort this, it will become a problem for it.
He clearly has a problem with the right of his party. He tried to throw them a bone by posturing not attending the Cop 27 summit - damaging Britain's standing in the world and has already had to u-turn on that. Not impressive. Braverman seemingly is allowed to breach the ministerial code without sanction and allowed to speak in horrendously inflammatory terms without being slapped down by her boss. Does he condone such language or is he too weak to deal with it. Braverman is clearly already running her future leadership campaign. If Sunak allows her to do so, she will take over his government and leave him powerless. Sooner or later he will have to establish his authority but can he?
He has as expected recovered slightly in the polls but still well below where the Tories were before Truss took over and her disastrous mini budget. I would have thought the Tories were hoping for a much more substantial bounce. It feels like the public are open to listening to Sunak but currently are doubtful. With difficult times ahead, does he have enough credibility to earn their trust. I am not sure he does.
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 2, 2022 14:45:14 GMT
He has been very foolish to U-turn on COP27. As I said a week or so ago the obvious thing to do was go to the charade and spout a few platitudes - then come back and do nothing, like everyone else does. He's not a politician.
He can't U-turn on Braverman or he's toast. And there's no reason why he should. Far from her language being "horrendously inflammatory" it's the simple truth. We are being invaded by illegal immigrants. It's about time somebody told the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 15:50:26 GMT
We are not being invaded, that is just the language to stir up hate and violence.
If there are any more incidents like the firebombing Braverman will be directly responsible.
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Post by jeg er on Nov 2, 2022 17:10:27 GMT
He doesnt strike me as coming across as empathetic - that is actually a plus point. Empathy is of no practical use, it does not achieve anything, it just a superficial feeling. We have also had too much personality of late, it just creates bluster. For a PM we need people who are robotic and workmanlike. Theresa May was good that way too |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 2, 2022 17:32:06 GMT
Sunaks problem is that he was the architect behind shutting down the economy for 2 years and pissing gazillions up against the wall.
Now he needs to start being sensible he is struggling to come up with ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 19:12:56 GMT
We are not being invaded, that is just the language to stir up hate and violence. INVASION (dictionary) an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity. We are being invaded according to that definition If there are any more incidents like the firebombing Braverman will be directly responsible. Only in your head Redrum. I think you need to understand what constitutes "directly responsible". |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 5:12:41 GMT
We are not being invaded, that is just the language to stir up hate and violence. INVASION (dictionary) an incursion by a large number of people or things into a place or sphere of activity. We are being invaded according to that definition If there are any more incidents like the firebombing Braverman will be directly responsible. Only in your head Redrum. I think you need to understand what constitutes "directly responsible". It matters not what 'definition' you use it is about tone. Braverman is playing to the lunatic 'patriots' and they are lapping it up. Braverman is a danger to this country. |
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Post by patman post on Nov 3, 2022 16:43:29 GMT
Sunaks problem is that he was the architect behind shutting down the economy for 2 years and pissing gazillions up against the wall. Now he needs to start being sensible he is struggling to come up with ideas. The problem is that the ERG Tories are responsible for inflicting Brexit (which has made most problems requiring international cooperation and forbearance worse, and isn’t yet done) and now — Truss having nearly broken international trust in the UK’s ability to pay its way — Sunak and Hunt have to salvage what they can and try to rebuild the U.K. economy It’s not going to be easy, and for business and people it’s going to be very hard…. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 3, 2022 18:15:31 GMT
Sunaks problem is that he was the architect behind shutting down the economy for 2 years and pissing gazillions up against the wall. Now he needs to start being sensible he is struggling to come up with ideas. (which has made most problems requiring international cooperation and forbearance worse, and isn’t yet done) and now — Truss having nearly broken international trust in the UK’s ability to pay its way — Sunak and Hunt have to salvage what they can and try to rebuild the U.K. economy It’s not going to be easy, and for business and people it’s going to be very hard…. Absolute hogwash pat. The voting public decided they wanted Brexit. The largest expression of democratic will for a generation. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 3, 2022 18:30:01 GMT
Sunaks problem is that he was the architect behind shutting down the economy for 2 years and pissing gazillions up against the wall. Now he needs to start being sensible he is struggling to come up with ideas. The problem is that the ERG Tories are responsible for inflicting Brexit (which has made most problems requiring international cooperation and forbearance worse, and isn’t yet done) and now — Truss having nearly broken international trust in the UK’s ability to pay its way — Sunak and Hunt have to salvage what they can and try to rebuild the U.K. economy It’s not going to be easy, and for business and people it’s going to be very hard…. Still harping on over your arse kicking FFS. Move on you lost so suck it up. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 3, 2022 18:35:09 GMT
Sunaks problem is that he says there is no alternative - but the government could cut Net Zero, HS2, international aid & other non beneficial spending and create a £250bn surplus, it could then use that to attack inflation & engender growth. But we all know he wont do that...  |
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Post by Handyman on Nov 3, 2022 18:40:17 GMT
We are not being invaded, that is just the language to stir up hate and violence. If there are any more incidents like the firebombing Braverman will be directly responsible. Crap the person who makes and throws Molotov Cocktails will be held responsible their decision; the Home Sec inherited the problem very recently a problem she has to try and address |
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Post by patman post on Nov 3, 2022 19:06:44 GMT
The problem is that the ERG Tories are responsible for inflicting Brexit (which has made most problems requiring international cooperation and forbearance worse, and isn’t yet done) and now — Truss having nearly broken international trust in the UK’s ability to pay its way — Sunak and Hunt have to salvage what they can and try to rebuild the U.K. economy It’s not going to be easy, and for business and people it’s going to be very hard…. Still harping on over your arse kicking FFS. Move on you lost so suck it up. Just being realistic. Now the UK is out, the government still hasn’t completed the heralded deals, implemented the agreed protocol, taken back control of its borders, or managed to stem the flow of industrial activity to other countries. The Brexit myth, that UK companies acquired by foreign owners would continue to receive investment when they lost the large market on the doorstep, has proved just that, a myth. The UK is in for three or four grim years, whatever the Sunak/Hunt budget, and even if they lose power in the interim… |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 3, 2022 19:21:38 GMT
You're right though, Pat.
It's why I never voted for Brexit - it could have been a force for good, but I never trusted our (majority remnant) MPs to deliver on it.
And, as ever, I was correct.
I think that the best course now is to rejoin and simply accept that we don't live in a democracy (which we never meaningfully did anyway).
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Post by jonksy on Nov 3, 2022 19:58:37 GMT
Still harping on over your arse kicking FFS. Move on you lost so suck it up. Just being realistic. Now the UK is out, the government still hasn’t completed the heralded deals, implemented the agreed protocol, taken back control of its borders, or managed to stem the flow of industrial activity to other countries. The Brexit myth, that UK companies acquired by foreign owners would continue to receive investment when they lost the large market on the doorstep, has proved just that, a myth. The UK is in for three or four grim years, whatever the Sunak/Hunt budget, and even if they lose power in the interim… Usual remainer bollocks. |
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