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Post by Steve on Sept 16, 2023 16:41:47 GMT
And by trying to stop Brexit, she and other wealthy remoaners stopped debate over how we should leave by hijacking it with a whether we should leave debate. Well, we're out anyway. No thanks to Gina. But at least she's a fair bit poorer.  Without Gina Miller there'd have been no Brexit. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 16, 2023 16:46:58 GMT
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Post by Steve on Sept 16, 2023 17:30:09 GMT
Without Gina Miller there'd have been no Article 50 Act of Parliament and without that Wilson & Others would likely have succeeded in their legal action to force May to withdraw article 50 (being against natural justice) but the government were able to argue it had the authority of parliament.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 16, 2023 18:35:23 GMT
@wap "Just give it a few more years,", as per your previous post, is promising jam tomorrow. And it was Boris who used the phrase "sunlit uplands" when he thought he was Churchill reborn. It is a concept that is and always impossible since no one knows what is in the future. The whole Leave promises were based on correcting what was then currently seen by some as problems. But never a thought about how the promised solutions might serve the UK in the future. In truth, NO BREXIT PROMISE has alleviated the big problems the UK faces...immigration, cost of living, the NHS and public sector wages. In fact it has put many businesses out of business, complicated trade, locked up Treasury support for those public sector workers, allowed hundreds of millions of pounds to be spent on migrants you promised to control. An utter failire on every level. Never mind wait and it will be better. You have no idea what is in the future. To overturn a practising set of trading and international trading routines on the promise of an unknown future was stupid in the extreme. You jumped but the wings promis3d to you didnt exist. FFS just look at Boris and it tells you all you need to know. He isnt funny. He is dangerous. You got a link to prove Boris used the phrase broad sunlit uplands it was as I said Andrea Leadsom post brexit vote .
And you have no answer other than to repeat meaningless slogans and infer all who voted to leave are stupid.
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 16, 2023 19:39:35 GMT
I repeated no slogans. Someone else repeated one.
As for the answer to the rest and main point of my post to which you replied, you have completely ignored it so i take it you agree with it.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 16, 2023 19:46:38 GMT
I repeated no slogans. Someone else repeated one. As for the answer to the rest and main point of my post to which you replied, you have completely ignored it so i take it you agree with it. So you can’t justify Boris said this Boris said that? as for ignoring your point it only boils down to you were lied to,you are stupid,you can’t exist without the eu, you left the only thing keeping you afloat,you should be grateful but you’re not,you should repent and ask forgiveness. The only thing you can take is that the eu is a project gone too far. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 16, 2023 21:45:42 GMT
I said none of those things.
and frankly i dont care who used the slogan. If you have to stoop to pick every hair off the carpet you will never stand up.I said nothing promised in Brexit can fix the problems real life throws up.
They were promises made in a make believe world. That world soon arrived and nothing about Brexit can offer solutions.
In fact Brexit makes them worse.
From what i see in here, it was an easy sell. Snakeoil comes to mind.
And no Brexit promise will ever solve the major problems of the UK. The biggest being immigration followed by economic growth. And without economic growth, nothing else happens.
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Post by wapentake on Sept 16, 2023 21:51:20 GMT
I said none of those things. I said nothing promised in Brexit can fix the problems real life throws up. They were promises made in a make believe world. That world soon arrived and nothing about Brexit can offer solutions. In fact Brexit makes them worse. From what i see in here, it was an easy sell. Snakeoil comes to mind. Have you found where Boris said Broad sunlit uplands?  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 16, 2023 22:07:33 GMT
...And no Brexit promise will ever solve the major problems of the UK. The biggest being immigration followed by economic growth. And without economic growth, nothing else happens. Are you for real? Any problems the independent and sovereign UK are certainly no worse and in many cases not as bad as problems in the EU. At the moment our biggest problem is the fact that although the EU have erected 20 ft high anti immigrant razor wire fences along their eastern border, they allow millions of illegals to pass through a borderless Europe from south to north, and turn a blind eye if they pay traffickers to cross the channel. Just how bitter are your unelected commissioners and presidents? |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 16, 2023 22:29:16 GMT
I said none of those things. and frankly i dont care who used the slogan. If you have to stoop to pick every hair off the carpet you will never stand up.I said nothing promised in Brexit can fix the problems real life throws up. They were promises made in a make believe world. That world soon arrived and nothing about Brexit can offer solutions. In fact Brexit makes them worse. From what i see in here, it was an easy sell. Snakeoil comes to mind.
And no Brexit promise will ever solve the major problems of the UK. The biggest being immigration followed by economic growth. And without economic growth, nothing else happens.Immigration is a problem. The UK now has an extra 6 million EU "citizens" living in Britain thanks to FoM. The UK's low economic growth was a key characteristic of its time when it was an EU member - the whole bloc is a slow growth one that is pretty much stagnant. The EU exaberated both problems; it certainly didn't help and was no saviour in that regard. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 16, 2023 23:30:46 GMT
Without Gina Miller there'd have been no Article 50 Act of Parliament and without that Wilson & Others would likely have succeeded in their legal action to force May to withdraw article 50 (being against natural justice) but the government were able to argue it had the authority of parliament. Article 50 was part of the Lisbon treaty. That was long before Gina Miller had even been heard of..The UK could have used that the day after the referendum FFS. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 17, 2023 6:50:16 GMT
Without Gina Miller there'd have been no Article 50 Act of Parliament and without that Wilson & Others would likely have succeeded in their legal action to force May to withdraw article 50 (being against natural justice) but the government were able to argue it had the authority of parliament. Article 50 was part of the Lisbon treaty. That was long before Gina Miller had even been heard of.. The UK could have used that the day after the referendum FFS.As the Leader of the Opposition demanded at the time.... |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 17, 2023 7:06:26 GMT
I said none of those things. and frankly i dont care who used the slogan. If you have to stoop to pick every hair off the carpet you will never stand up.I said nothing promised in Brexit can fix the problems real life throws up. They were promises made in a make believe world. That world soon arrived and nothing about Brexit can offer solutions. In fact Brexit makes them worse. From what i see in here, it was an easy sell. Snakeoil comes to mind.
And no Brexit promise will ever solve the major problems of the UK. The biggest being immigration followed by economic growth. And without economic growth, nothing else happens.Immigration is a problem. The UK now has an extra 6 million EU "citizens" living in Britain thanks to FoM. The UK's low economic growth was a key characteristic of its time when it was an EU member - the whole bloc is a slow growth one that is pretty much stagnant. The EU exaberated both problems; it certainly didn't help and was no saviour in that regard. Then why is there underemployment in the UK? I am not discussing the past. I am discussing the implications of your self inflicted problems. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 17, 2023 8:40:00 GMT
Without Gina Miller there'd have been no Article 50 Act of Parliament and without that Wilson & Others would likely have succeeded in their legal action to force May to withdraw article 50 (being against natural justice) but the government were able to argue it had the authority of parliament. Article 50 was part of the Lisbon treaty. That was long before Gina Miller had even been heard of..The UK could have used that the day after the referendum FFS.  Talking about OUR article 50 Act of Parliament and the subsequent Art 50 notice given by OUR prime minister Theresa May. Do keep up. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 17, 2023 8:43:17 GMT
Article 50 was part of the Lisbon treaty. That was long before Gina Miller had even been heard of.. The UK could have used that the day after the referendum FFS.As the Leader of the Opposition demanded at the time.... So what? The point at hand is the courts ruled that we could withdraw our Art 50 notice any time until we actually left. And the Wilson & Others case would likely have succeeded in forcing us to do so (pending another referendum) had Gina Miller not forced May and co to pass that 2017 Act. You can dislike her but without Gina Miller we'd still be in the EU |
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