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Post by buccaneer on Sept 17, 2023 9:08:50 GMT
Immigration is a problem. The UK now has an extra 6 million EU "citizens" living in Britain thanks to FoM. The UK's low economic growth was a key characteristic of its time when it was an EU member - the whole bloc is a slow growth one that is pretty much stagnant. The EU exaberated both problems; it certainly didn't help and was no saviour in that regard. Then why is there underemployment in the UK? I am not discussing the past. I am discussing the implications of your self inflicted problems. Why is there high unemployment in France? Granted. You're now not talking about the past, so how is the EU helping high unemployment in France currently? You've got your own self-inflicted problems and the EU isn't saving you from them. Got it! |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 17, 2023 10:03:24 GMT
Article 50 was part of the Lisbon treaty. That was long before Gina Miller had even been heard of..The UK could have used that the day after the referendum FFS.  Talking about OUR article 50 Act of Parliament and the subsequent Art 50 notice given by OUR prime minister Theresa May. Do keep up. Usual pedantry after you have dug a hole for yourself..Man up for once FFS. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 17, 2023 10:27:35 GMT
Gina Miller bogged us down in an IF we leave debate which she lost. She tried to stop democracy and in one respect succeded.
She stopped a HOW we leave debate and vote.
Brexit would have happened without her tantrums.
But she killed the chance of a discussion on things like EFTA, Swiss style independence, Norway style independence, and that's what I don't like about her.
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Post by bancroft on Sept 17, 2023 11:25:06 GMT
Gina Miller bogged us down in an IF we leave debate which she lost. She tried to stop democracy and in one respect succeded. She stopped a HOW we leave debate and vote. Brexit would have happened without her tantrums. But she killed the chance of a discussion on things like EFTA, Swiss style independence, Norway style independence, and that's what I don't like about her. I don't think she stopped debate on EFTA and the EU were not going to give us a bespoke deal. The Swiss have had some political battles and may have more and over immigration too, yet the Swiss are a small domestic market unlike the UK. Miller was more about challenging the govt of the day the government trick they should have looked at her business model as a fund manager, I think there probably is a tax dodge there to the disadvantage of the EU. Perhaps they did not want to harm the industry though. Now she did run as a political party yet that bombed and am not sure if it is still a live body. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 17, 2023 12:31:09 GMT
Labour mistakenly joined her bandwagon and tried to stop us leaving by pushing for a second membership referendum. That backfired spectacularly.
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 17, 2023 19:17:17 GMT
Then why is there underemployment in the UK? I am not discussing the past. I am discussing the implications of your self inflicted problems. Why is there high unemployment in France? Granted. You're now not talking about the past, so how is the EU helping high unemployment in France currently? You've got your own self-inflicted problems and the EU isn't saving you from them. Got it! The EU is not an employment agency. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 17, 2023 20:12:08 GMT
Why is there high unemployment in France? Granted. You're now not talking about the past, so how is the EU helping high unemployment in France currently? You've got your own self-inflicted problems and the EU isn't saving you from them. Got it! The EU is not an employment agency. We know...It's a bloody dictatorship. |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 17, 2023 20:23:03 GMT
Why is there high unemployment in France? Granted. You're now not talking about the past, so how is the EU helping high unemployment in France currently? You've got your own self-inflicted problems and the EU isn't saving you from them. Got it! The EU is not an employment agency. No it’s a travel agency for economic migrants and the eu has its own self inflicted problems. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 17, 2023 22:11:32 GMT
Why is there high unemployment in France? Granted. You're now not talking about the past, so how is the EU helping high unemployment in France currently? You've got your own self-inflicted problems and the EU isn't saving you from them. Got it! The EU is not an employment agency. So why are you asking about underemployment in the UK in the wake of the UK leaving the EU? And all the other issues you infer are UK's problems since leaving that dreaded place? |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 18, 2023 8:46:53 GMT
The EU is not an employment agency. So why are you asking about underemployment in the UK in the wake of the UK leaving the EU? And all the other issues you infer are UK's problems since leaving that dreaded place? Because they are. What happens in France, Germany, Estonia,or Luxembourg or any of the other 23 members is not your business. Neither is how each member runs its economy, where each member can make its own decisions. It can decide how to attract invvstment, how to tax, how to subsidise, how to arrange its own benefit system, where to put taxpayers money and on what basis to grow its own economy. Employment is an integral part of rhose SOVEREIGN decisions. As I said, the EU is not an employment agency. |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 18, 2023 9:14:05 GMT
So why are you asking about underemployment in the UK in the wake of the UK leaving the EU? And all the other issues you infer are UK's problems since leaving that dreaded place? Because they are. What happens in France, Germany, Estonia,or Luxembourg or any of the other 23 members is not your business.Neither is how each member runs its economy, where each member can make its own decisions. It can decide how to attract invvstment, how to tax, how to subsidise, how to arrange its own benefit system, where to put taxpayers money and on what basis to grow its own economy. Employment is an integral part of rhose SOVEREIGN decisions. As I said, the EU is not an employment agency. By that logic what happens here in the UK is none of yours is it? |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 18, 2023 9:43:32 GMT
So why are you asking about underemployment in the UK in the wake of the UK leaving the EU? And all the other issues you infer are UK's problems since leaving that dreaded place? Because they are. What happens in France, Germany, Estonia,or Luxembourg or any of the other 23 members is not your business. Neither is how each member runs its economy, where each member can make its own decisions. It can decide how to attract invvstment, how to tax, how to subsidise, how to arrange its own benefit system, where to put taxpayers money and on what basis to grow its own economy. Employment is an integral part of rhose SOVEREIGN decisions. As I said, the EU is not an employment agency. I am making it my business. But the issues the UK have are no different to the issues the French, Germans and any other countries that are signed up to that straight jacket have. This just demonstrates that for all the smoke you blow up the botties of those in Brussels as some saviour of sovereign nations is a load of old rubbish that has been deubunked time and time again. Yet, you continue to post this old, tired and well worn propaganda. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 18, 2023 14:47:54 GMT
Because they are. What happens in France, Germany, Estonia,or Luxembourg or any of the other 23 members is not your business.Neither is how each member runs its economy, where each member can make its own decisions. It can decide how to attract invvstment, how to tax, how to subsidise, how to arrange its own benefit system, where to put taxpayers money and on what basis to grow its own economy. Employment is an integral part of rhose SOVEREIGN decisions. As I said, the EU is not an employment agency. By that logic what happens here in the UK is none of yours is it? Since i still own a house there, pay taxes and have some family there I reckon it is. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 18, 2023 14:49:14 GMT
Because they are. What happens in France, Germany, Estonia,or Luxembourg or any of the other 23 members is not your business. Neither is how each member runs its economy, where each member can make its own decisions. It can decide how to attract invvstment, how to tax, how to subsidise, how to arrange its own benefit system, where to put taxpayers money and on what basis to grow its own economy. Employment is an integral part of rhose SOVEREIGN decisions. As I said, the EU is not an employment agency. I am making it my business. But the issues the UK have are no different to the issues the French, Germans and any other countries that are signed up to that straight jacket have. This just demonstrates that for all the smoke you blow up the botties of those in Brussels as some saviour of sovereign nations is a load of old rubbish that has been deubunked time and time again. Yet, you continue to post this old, tired and well worn propaganda. Sorry but all this says is empty bubbles. It doesnt convey anything. |
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Post by wapentake on Sept 18, 2023 15:01:43 GMT
By that logic what happens here in the UK is none of yours is it? Since i still own a house there, pay taxes and have some family there I reckon it is. We only have your word for that |
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