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Post by oracle75 on Sept 9, 2023 8:16:48 GMT
So who is going to pay for the crisis on the NHS, crumbling public buildings, HS2,and net zero? The big con is that when government spends nothing to fix everything, theyy can say there is no economic crisis. The crisis is everywhere else. And that is NOT normal. Certainly not the EU. NHS, certain crumbling buildings and HS2 were already issues while we were in the EU. Being out of the EU doesn't suddenly mean they're happening because of Brexit. lol The EU, and the French have their own massive issues. Keep your oar out instead of throwing stones. My reply was to the brag that the UK economy is not damaged by Brexit. It wont be of the government doesnt have any money to run the country properly. Why os that? Because no one wants to invest in it. It takes a couple of years for the effect of no inward investment to show, especially when the government doesnt spend. Assessing the economy now post 2020 is way too soon. However i find the brag about soveteignty a ruse when the economy of the UK depends so much on the legal regulations and decisions made by the EU. And when there is relief that the UK will be working in Horizon, under EU rules, again...reports are pleased it will boost the UK's economy. Funny how you keep clinging to the EU for help. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 9, 2023 10:51:46 GMT
Yawn
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Post by Steve on Sept 9, 2023 13:51:25 GMT
Leaving the EU hasn't turned out to be the economic disaster remain had hoped for. . . . More made up fiction ^  . . .We washed our hands of the EU and the ideoligical zealots both at home and abroad who were in favour of 'ever closer union'. The UK is no longer at risk from the zealots and is doing what the rest of the world's nations do everyday. That should be the norm. That is the norm. It's its a good job Britain returned to the norm. That would be devalued currency, higher costs, labour shortages and having to beg India for a shitty for UK workers trade deal wouldn't it. Who celebrates pyrrhic victories? Well apparently you do. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 9, 2023 17:34:24 GMT
Does anyone listen to BNP Paribas with their record?  One of France’s biggest banks has told clients to move money out of the eurozone and back Britain.
Investment bank BNP Paribas has told clients to put their money into British stocks, arguing that a cheap pound, an attractive combination of sectors and the better-than-expected performance of the British economy makes the country attractive.
Its analysts recently changed their preferred allocation from the eurozone to the UK, encouraging investors who follow the bank’s advice to shift their money into the largest UK-listed companies. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 9, 2023 22:30:53 GMT
'Cheap pound' Now I wonder what caused that real wage eroding calamity?  |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 9, 2023 23:47:55 GMT
Unfortunately for some the UK's economy didn't break or collapse upon leaving the EU. It never needed the Single Market to keep it alive and kicking, it never needed the EU and all its burdensome regulations and directives as the realities of Brexit prove.
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 10, 2023 0:19:46 GMT
Does anyone listen to BNP Paribas with their record? One of France’s biggest banks has told clients to move money out of the eurozone and back Britain.
Investment bank BNP Paribas has told clients to put their money into British stocks, arguing that a cheap pound, an attractive combination of sectors and the better-than-expected performance of the British economy makes the country attractive.
Its analysts recently changed their preferred allocation from the eurozone to the UK, encouraging investors who follow the bank’s advice to shift their money into the largest UK-listed companies.Bit of a slap in the face for Macron that. Mind you, he got a slap in the face from his own people at the Stade de France. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 10, 2023 7:27:46 GMT
Unfortunately for some the UK's economy didn't break or collapse upon leaving the EU. It never needed the Single Market to keep it alive and kicking, it never needed the EU and all its burdensome regulations and directives as the realities of Brexit prove. Because the UK kept all the economic skeleton of trade deals made by the EU! And it was supposed to scrap those regulations and directives but decided to keep them. You never really left. You are still having to confprm to EU single market and customs union regulations and just last week admitted that the UK will keep EU standards of quality, the CE, instead of creating your own. And now you are begging to rejoin the parts you became disqualified to be in. None of the great leap forwards that were promised have happened...you are now bartering visas for trade deals, are five years late in replacing farming subsidies, www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/26/details-long-awaited-farming-subsidies-overhaul-england-revealed has given away those precious fishing grounds, ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_22_7843and all hope of any aid to fix crumbling infrastructure. You cant manage your own borders and no one wants to invest in the UK. You are still blowing bubbles, Bubbles. None of the great crusades have reached Jerusalem. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 10, 2023 7:33:14 GMT
Unfortunately for some the UK's economy didn't break or collapse upon leaving the EU. It never needed the Single Market to keep it alive and kicking, it never needed the EU and all its burdensome regulations and directives as the realities of Brexit prove. Because the UK kept all the economic skeleton of trade deals made by the EU! And it was suppos4d to scrap those regulations ans directives bit d I know because we are said to have left, which is a bit debatable, it seems we shouldn't care that the EU has speeded up the federal dictatorship, me thinks we should care as they are still deeply entrenched in the UK.As inadvertently you amongst others are always pointing out. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 10, 2023 7:39:01 GMT
Unfortunately for some the UK's economy didn't break or collapse upon leaving the EU. It never needed the Single Market to keep it alive and kicking, it never needed the EU and all its burdensome regulations and directives as the realities of Brexit prove. Because the UK kept all the economic skeleton of trade deals made by the EU! And it was suppos4d to scrap those regulations ans directives bit d More lies. We were told if we'd leave the EU that would nion be the end of the world for Britain. We were told we couldn't survive independently on our own without Brussels, Paris and Berlin telling what to do and how to spend our money. No. The UK got out of the EU and is no longer haemorroging needless amounts of money to a bunch of technocrats in Brussels. The UK is making its own trade deals and improving upon the ones it had while being in the EU. We've cut about 600 or so EU regs and directives and the UK will continue to do more over time if it benefits us, there is no rush. Ireland ceded from the United Kingdom almost 100 years ago, and its taken its time to remove UK laws & regs to the point it still has many in place. Like I said kim, ther's no rush. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 10, 2023 8:02:25 GMT
Because the UK kept all the economic skeleton of trade deals made by the EU! And it was suppos4d to scrap those regulations ans directives bit d More lies. We were told if we'd leave the EU that would nion be the end of the world for Britain. We were told we couldn't survive independently on our own without Brussels, Paris and Berlin telling what to do and how to spend our money. No. The UK got out of the EU and is no longer haemorroging needless amounts of money to a bunch of technocrats in Brussels. The UK is making its own trade deals and improving upon the ones it had while being in the EU. We've cut about 600 or so EU regs and directives and the UK will continue to do more over time if it benefits us, there is no rush. Ireland ceded from the United Kingdom almost 100 years ago, and its taken its time to remove UK laws & regs to the point it still has many in place. Like I said kim, ther's no rush. No one said you wouldnt survive. They said you would not do as well as staying in. Why ask to limp behind 100 years when you had it all yesterday? No wonder anyone under 30 thinks you are demented. Your BREXIT government has stopped messing with EU law embedded in UK law. www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-ditches-commitment-replace-all-eu-laws-by-end-2023-2023-05-10/And perhaps if you put all that money into fixing your own country, you would be in a better place. Both farming and fishing have suffered, as predicted. You have made damaging trade deals and have not fulfilled one of the great promises, known as lies, since 2016. And ireland has done well because it is in the EU!! |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 10, 2023 8:17:27 GMT
More lies. We were told if we'd leave the EU that would nion be the end of the world for Britain. We were told we couldn't survive independently on our own without Brussels, Paris and Berlin telling what to do and how to spend our money. No. The UK got out of the EU and is no longer haemorroging needless amounts of money to a bunch of technocrats in Brussels. The UK is making its own trade deals and improving upon the ones it had while being in the EU. We've cut about 600 or so EU regs and directives and the UK will continue to do more over time if it benefits us, there is no rush. Ireland ceded from the United Kingdom almost 100 years ago, and its taken its time to remove UK laws & regs to the point it still has many in place. Like I said kim, ther's no rush. No one said you wouldnt survive. They said you would not do as well as staying in. Why ask to limp behind 100 years when you had it all yesterday? No wonder anyone under 30 thinks you are demented. Your BREXIT government has stopped messing with EU law embedded in UK law. www.reuters.com/world/europe/britain-ditches-commitment-replace-all-eu-laws-by-end-2023-2023-05-10/And perhaps if you put all that money into fixing your own country, you would be in a better place. Both farming and fishing have suffered, as predicted. You have made damaging trade deals and have not fulfilled one of the great promises, known as lies, since 2016. We're fine. Even though your concern for us is based on falseness, you needn't worry yourself with us. We are doing fine without you and will contine to do so. Like I said, there's no rush to remove certain EU law. That can be done meticulously and at our own pace and to our benefits. We're joing the CPTPP, we've a decent deal with Australia, negotiating with India, improving our deal with Singapore and we've improved the one we had with Japan. We're doing the same with Mexico too. We're fine, but thanks for your concern. And now that we don't have to plough our money into the coffers in Brussels will we fix our country. Not sure how France can afford to fix theirs with a bloated EU budegt on top. Oh, that's right one way has been to piss the people off and raise the reitirement age. Your economy has mass unemployment, your society is considered discriminatory via poverty and inequality, many of your sectors strike at a whim, you have law enforcement and police abuse to deal with and many other things to contend with. Plus you've probably been hit with upto a 60% council tax hike if you are indeed British and have a second home in France. You need not worry for us, you have your own things to concern yourself with. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 10, 2023 10:32:12 GMT
No need to reply.
Almost all of it is untrue.
Including that you are "fine".
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Post by sheepy on Sept 10, 2023 10:34:45 GMT
No need to reply. Almost all of it is untrue. Including that you are "fine". Well in fairness we are probably not in fine shape with or without the EU but then still better than many within the EU and those hoping to join. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 10, 2023 12:44:12 GMT
The leavers one . The worst thing that can happen for the bitter ex remainers is the UK having a cordial relationship with the EU. Some bitter ex remainers want the UK to fail. It’s quite sickening You mean ever closer relationship. The UK has already failed. It has to beg to be included in what they voted to leave. No I mean a closer relationship . An ever closer relationship would never end until it could not become any closer. You have already lost the semantic argument Kim. The last two sentences were just your shoulder chips hurting you . |
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