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Post by buccaneer on Sept 8, 2023 8:31:15 GMT
One of the fears of the leavers was that the EU was heading to be a federation and then a federal state . THAT would be an ever closer relationship. We have a bitter ex remainer telling us the UK wants an ‘ ever closer ‘ relationship( ie eventual federal state ) with the US and the CPTPP. Now she is back peddling because she’s made a tit of herself . The UK is seeking the best trade deal it can have with as many countries as it can. That’s it….. the lying and twisting of words. dishonesty is the main ammo. it's banging your head against a brick wall |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 8, 2023 8:51:36 GMT
One of the fears of the leavers was that the EU was heading to be a federation and then a federal state . THAT would be an ever closer relationship. We have a bitter ex remainer telling us the UK wants an ‘ ever closer ‘ relationship( ie eventual federal state ) with the US and the CPTPP. Now she is back peddling because she’s made a tit of herself . The UK is seeking the best trade deal it can have with as many countries as it can. That’s it….. Yep. Ever closer relationships. Now tell you what. YOU stop living the loop of forever repeating time and constantly repezting and justifying why you left. And YOU stop criticising the alliance you left. You spend a phenominal amount of time repeating yourself and why leaving was such a godsend From where i am sitting the UK is one unholy mess. From health care to crumbling public buildings to housing and now prisons which cant hold prisoners safely, are overcrowded and where people are so rude to each other. Just about every publicly owned estate is a serious disaster. No wonder no 9ne wants to invest in the place. You have your sovereignty and since you got it, the UK has been decaying at speed. Now why is that? I can tell you that for years i have been so relieved to NOT to live in what is fast becoming a third world country. Inqtead of spending time redefining terms that have nothing to do with you anymore, you would do better to do something to make your sunlit uplands a bit more illuminated. The EU is not your concern anymore. Your cognitive dissonance is amusing...you know you are out but still campaing for leaving. Well bugger off. The EU isnt interested, and frankly, neither am i. My public services are well funded and of excellent quality. The economy is active and positive and we have excellent relationships across the western world. So my quality of life is just fine. I dont give a toss what you think some archaic term means. I find it seriously sad that you can't discuss much else and you are stuck in this never ending time loop. You go your way and i will happily go mine. And i really dont care where you end up. My only sadness is that Brexit broke Britain. My great happiness is that i dont have to live in it. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 8, 2023 9:19:59 GMT
One of the fears of the leavers was that the EU was heading to be a federation and then a federal state . THAT would be an ever closer relationship. We have a bitter ex remainer telling us the UK wants an ‘ ever closer ‘ relationship( ie eventual federal state ) with the US and the CPTPP. Now she is back peddling because she’s made a tit of herself . The UK is seeking the best trade deal it can have with as many countries as it can. That’s it….. Yep. Ever closer relationships. Now tell you what. YOU stop living the loop of forever repeating time and constantly repezting and justifying why you left. And YOU stop criticising the alliance you left. You spend a phenominal amount of time repeating yourself and why leaving was such a godsend From where i am sitting the UK is one unholy mess. From health care to crumbling public buildings to housing and now prisons which cant hold prisoners safely, are overcrowded and where people are so rude to each other. Just about every publicly owned estate is a serious disaster. No wonder no 9ne wants to invest in the place. You have your sovereignty and since you got it, the UK has been decaying at speed. Now why is that? I can tell you that for years i have been so relieved to NOT to live in what is fast becoming a third world country. Inqtead of spending time redefining terms that have nothing to do with you anymore, you would do better to do something to make your sunlit uplands a bit more illuminated. The EU is not your concern anymore. Your cognitive dissonance is amusing...you know you are out but still campaing for leaving. Well bugger off. The EU isnt interested, and frankly, neither am i. My public services are well funded and of excellent quality. The economy is active and positive and we have excellent relationships across the western world. So my quality of life is just fine. I dont give a toss what you think some archaic term means. I find it seriously sad that you can't discuss much else and you are stuck in this never ending time loop. You go your way and i will happily go mine. And i really dont care where you end up. My only sadness is that Brexit broke Britain. My great happiness is that i dont have to live in it. Stop waffling . |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 8, 2023 9:25:05 GMT
One of the fears of the leavers was that the EU was heading to be a federation and then a federal state . THAT would be an ever closer relationship. We have a bitter ex remainer telling us the UK wants an ‘ ever closer ‘ relationship( ie eventual federal state ) with the US and the CPTPP. Now she is back peddling because she’s made a tit of herself . The UK is seeking the best trade deal it can have with as many countries as it can. That’s it….. the lying and twisting of words. dishonesty is the main ammo. it's banging your head against a brick wall The leavers one . The worst thing that can happen for the bitter ex remainers is the UK having a cordial relationship with the EU. Some bitter ex remainers want the UK to fail. It’s quite sickening |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 8, 2023 9:26:37 GMT
The bitterness and ideological anger is strong with that one, facts won't get through.
Not even a re-emergence of fascist parties in several member states are enough for this individual to question the all eggs in one basket ideology of ever closer union.
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 8, 2023 10:13:59 GMT
the lying and twisting of words. dishonesty is the main ammo. it's banging your head against a brick wall The leavers one . The worst thing that can happen for the bitter ex remainers is the UK having a cordial relationship with the EU. Some bitter ex remainers want the UK to fail. It’s quite sickening You mean ever closer relationship. The UK has already failed. It has to beg to be included in what they voted to leave. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 8, 2023 10:15:13 GMT
The bitterness and ideological anger is strong with that one, facts won't get through. Not even a re-emergence of fascist parties in several member states are enough for this individual to question the all eggs in one basket ideology of ever closer union. You watching Iggy?? You should empty your mind of historical bullshit and start to create your Brexit bonanza FREE OF THE ASSOCIATION OR ALLIANCE OF THE EU since it might taint your new found pure nationalism. After all there was so much wrong with it, and now including fascists, that i would expect you to cut all ties with the heinous union and show the world what a tiny island can do for the benefit of all mankind. That might show those who are ignoring you as an investment opportunity the finger. IE NO ONE bid for your off shore energy package. Not enough return on investment. Still waiting for those Brexit benefits...will they start to show after you have caught up with the million operations you are behind with? Or now you can actually use your second aircraft carrier after a year of unuse. Or after all those public buildings are rebuilt? You are EU free. Now behave like a sovereign country and stop chasing EU successes. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 8, 2023 10:18:46 GMT
The EU doesn't work.
I can only hope that the next treaty gets rid of the Commission's monopoly on power and turns it into something that resembles a democracy.
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 8, 2023 17:57:57 GMT
The EU doesn't work. I can only hope that the next treaty gets rid of the Commission's monopoly on power and turns it into something that resembles a democracy. It has absolutely nothing to do with you as to what the EU does. Particularly as you have no idea what it does now. Your concern about the EU is no more valid than a concern about Indonesia or Cameroon. Your "hopes" for the EU are one huge pointless waste of time Yet you let it live inside your head and it occupies most of your waking hours. Yet it doesnt even know nor give a damn if you exist. You would do far more good helping to sort out your sad little island that no one wants to put money into. This is what people like you have done to the UK...believed the prophets of mendacity and supported liars, clowns, 6th form posh boys and allowed the country to literally crumble. One million people waiting for operations. I guess if you wait long enough the count will naturally go down as they die off. This is the work of the Brexit government legacy who dont have a clue about anything from economics to integrity. A government by idiots, for idiots, and the sooner they all perish from this earth the better. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 8, 2023 23:30:27 GMT
Au contraire, Where else on the planet do nations have such "obligations" like a customs market, extrnal tariffs, freedom of movement and a politicised union where decisions about issues like these and other issues are not made in said country? Nowhere. It seems your "obligations" are an anomaly to the RoW. That isn't wanting cake and eating it, that is what normal independent nations do apart from European ones. It's the EU that wants it cake and to eat it. It's the EU the divvy's out the obligations while taking 'ever more sovereignty' and money from member states and telling them what to do. You've got this arse about face. Nope You're right that the EU has taken free intra block trading far further than other blocks. But that's the club we joined in 1972 and it's also the most successful trading block. I've never denied that the EU is up its own arse at times and went too far in expanding both its geography and areas of remit. But even in 2016 it was the least worst option available to us, we could and should have fought our case from within and tales of some superstate with our government relegated to trivia were less than true. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 8, 2023 23:49:23 GMT
Au contraire, Where else on the planet do nations have such "obligations" like a customs market, extrnal tariffs, freedom of movement and a politicised union where decisions about issues like these and other issues are not made in said country? Nowhere. It seems your "obligations" are an anomaly to the RoW. That isn't wanting cake and eating it, that is what normal independent nations do apart from European ones. It's the EU that wants it cake and to eat it. It's the EU the divvy's out the obligations while taking 'ever more sovereignty' and money from member states and telling them what to do. You've got this arse about face. Nope You're right that the EU has taken free intra block trading far further than other blocks. But that's the club we joined in 1972 and it's also the most successful trading block. I've never denied that the EU is up its own arse at times and went too far in expanding both its geography and areas of remit. But even in 2016 it was the least worst option available to us, we could and should have fought our case from within and tales of some superstate with our government relegated to trivia were less than true. Could have, would have, should have. There was no way Britain was going to change the EU from within. We did the right thing and washed our hands with it. All this nonsense about not wanting to meet our "obligations" in an anomally of a trading bloc that is heavily politicised is just that, nonsense. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 9, 2023 0:01:40 GMT
Nope You're right that the EU has taken free intra block trading far further than other blocks. But that's the club we joined in 1972 and it's also the most successful trading block. I've never denied that the EU is up its own arse at times and went too far in expanding both its geography and areas of remit. But even in 2016 it was the least worst option available to us, we could and should have fought our case from within and tales of some superstate with our government relegated to trivia were less than true. Could have, would have, should have. There was no way Britain was going to change the EU from within. We did the right thing and washed our hands with it. All this nonsense about not wanting to meet our "obligations" in an anomally of a trading bloc that is heavily politicised is just that, nonsense. Actually we'd already changed it with that deal where they were prepared to change a fundamental part of the problem that was free movement. If we remained other free movement victim countries like Germany would have pushed for the same and then more could have been gone for. But it was all sacrificed in a bonfire fuelled by hopelessly unrealistic cake and eat it plus great trade deals dreams and blatant lies about the risks. Well those dreams have very much proved to be fiction and the risks have turned out to be true. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 9, 2023 0:42:12 GMT
Leaving the EU hasn't turned out to be the economic disaster remain had hoped for.
We washed our hands of the EU and the ideoligical zealots both at home and abroad who were in favour of 'ever closer union'.
The UK is no longer at risk from the zealots and is doing what the rest of the world's nations do everyday.
That should be the norm. That is the norm. It's its a good job Britain returned to the norm.
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 9, 2023 5:59:56 GMT
Leaving the EU hasn't turned out to be the economic disaster remain had hoped for. We washed our hands of the EU and the ideoligical zealots both at home and abroad who were in favour of 'ever closer union'. The UK is no longer at risk from the zealots and is doing what the rest of the world's nations do everyday. That should be the norm. That is the norm. It's its a good job Britain returned to the norm. So who is going to pay for the crisis on the NHS, crumbling public buildings, HS2,and net zero? The big con is that when government spends nothing to fix everything, theyy can say there is no economic crisis. The crisis is everywhere else. And that is NOT normal. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 9, 2023 6:43:00 GMT
Leaving the EU hasn't turned out to be the economic disaster remain had hoped for. We washed our hands of the EU and the ideoligical zealots both at home and abroad who were in favour of 'ever closer union'. The UK is no longer at risk from the zealots and is doing what the rest of the world's nations do everyday. That should be the norm. That is the norm. It's its a good job Britain returned to the norm. So who is going to pay for the crisis on the NHS, crumbling public buildings, HS2,and net zero? The big con is that when government spends nothing to fix everything, theyy can say there is no economic crisis. The crisis is everywhere else. And that is NOT normal. Certainly not the EU. NHS, certain crumbling buildings and HS2 were already issues while we were in the EU. Being out of the EU doesn't suddenly mean they're happening because of Brexit. lol The EU, and the French have their own massive issues. Keep your oar out instead of throwing stones. |
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