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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 13, 2023 21:28:00 GMT
Lefties whine about low pay then want to import cheap labour …… Not I But leaving the EU meant problems for UK farmers, do you wish to deny that? Believe me it depends on the farmer. If you think Brexit was universally unpopular with farmers or that Brexit has created problems for all farmers, you're wrong. And you probably know that, but because you're diametrically opposed to Brexit you will never admit it. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 21:29:45 GMT
Lefties whine about low pay then want to import cheap labour …… Not I But leaving the EU meant problems for UK farmers, do you wish to deny that? Yin and Yang Steve . What ever you do will create problems . What was your point ? |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 13, 2023 21:31:45 GMT
If the Tolpuddle Martyrs had been around in the 2000's they'd simply have been replaced by Eastern Europeans and called "lazy" and you know it.
The problem with free movement of people was the use of it to suppress wages.
Decent employers can still get the staff.
Crap ones have felt the pinch.
I have no sympathy for them.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 21:33:50 GMT
Not I But leaving the EU meant problems for UK farmers, do you wish to deny that? Believe me it depends on the farmer. If you think Brexit was universally unpopular with farmers or that Brexit has created problems for all farmers, you're wrong. And you probably know that, but because you're diametrically opposed to Brexit you will never admit it. Indeed. Weaning employers off if boatloads of poor migrants as cheap labour will always be a problem . perhaps not a problem for the employees who can command a higher wage . |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 21:34:47 GMT
If the Tolpuddle Martyrs had been around in the 2000's they'd simply have been replaced by Eastern Europeans and called "lazy" and you know it. The problem with free movement of people was the use of it to suppress wages. Decent employers can still get the staff. Crap ones have felt the pinch. I have no sympathy for them. Well said . |
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Post by Steve on Sept 13, 2023 21:41:44 GMT
Not I But leaving the EU meant problems for UK farmers, do you wish to deny that? Believe me it depends on the farmer. If you think Brexit was universally unpopular with farmers or that Brexit has created problems for all farmers, you're wrong. And you probably know that, but because you're diametrically opposed to Brexit you will never admit it. Excuse me for believing the NFU with a proper survey were better able to get the sector wide position. Those who actually read and can understand simple English know no one claimed there weren't a few farming winners. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 13, 2023 21:43:14 GMT
Believe me it depends on the farmer. If you think Brexit was universally unpopular with farmers or that Brexit has created problems for all farmers, you're wrong. And you probably know that, but because you're diametrically opposed to Brexit you will never admit it. Indeed. Weaning employers off if boatloads of poor migrants as cheap labour will always be a problem . perhaps not a problem for the employees who can command a higher wage . And that's the problem, or a large part of it. Some farmers particularly fruit farmers became used to housing dozens of migrants on site in caravans or what were little more than sheds. For some farmers it was a very profitable arrangement. For the record, my uncle was a farmer, now retired, and he hated the EU more than me. That's pretty special. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 13, 2023 21:46:47 GMT
Believe me it depends on the farmer. If you think Brexit was universally unpopular with farmers or that Brexit has created problems for all farmers, you're wrong. And you probably know that, but because you're diametrically opposed to Brexit you will never admit it. Excuse me for believing the NFU with a proper survey were better able to get the sector wide position. Those who actually read and can understand simple English know no one claimed there weren't a few farming winners. You cite the "EU supporting" NFU as proof that farmers were pro EU? LOL. Steve honestly, you're a laugh.  |
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Post by Steve on Sept 13, 2023 22:34:40 GMT
The NFU supports its members which surprise surprise are farmers. Do stop whining that so it's so unfair they are pointing out how you and your chums have made life harder for them.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 13, 2023 23:02:21 GMT
The NFU supports its members which surprise surprise are farmers. Do stop whining that so it's so unfair they are pointing out how you and your chums have made life harder for them. Trade unions support the EU and mass immigration, which perhaps is why trade union membership is so low. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 14, 2023 7:58:19 GMT
The lack of staff problems will be solved either by technology, innovation , training or even ( shock horror) importing specific labour from abroad .
Whatever the solution , if a solution is found , it will be one more reason not to rejoin the EU .
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Post by Steve on Sept 14, 2023 9:57:01 GMT
The NFU supports its members which surprise surprise are farmers. Do stop whining that so it's so unfair they are pointing out how you and your chums have made life harder for them. Trade unions support the EU and mass immigration, which perhaps is why trade union membership is so low. You do know that the NFU isn't a trade union don't you. Well everyone with an IQ over 60 probably does so maybe you don't qualify |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 14, 2023 10:35:16 GMT
Trade unions support the EU and mass immigration, which perhaps is why trade union membership is so low. You do know that the NFU isn't a trade union don't you. Well everyone with an IQ over 60 probably does so maybe you don't qualify Another Haughty response from Mr. Haughty himself. No wonder people can't stand you. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 14, 2023 11:59:55 GMT
You do know that the NFU isn't a trade union don't you. Well everyone with an IQ over 60 probably does so maybe you don't qualify Another Haughty response from Mr. Haughty himself. No wonder people can't stand you. Well it's true that dishonest people that like to post made up false stories don't like me for countering them. I could care less about such detritus. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 14, 2023 12:16:56 GMT
Trade unions support the EU and mass immigration, which perhaps is why trade union membership is so low. You do know that the NFU isn't a trade union don't you. Well everyone with an IQ over 60 probably does so maybe you don't qualify What is the difference ? It must be the nearest thing to a trade union that a body representing its farmer members could be. |
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