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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 12, 2023 19:28:01 GMT
There was always the capacity for the UK to deny entry to EU nationals. It was not the ability to deny entry that was lacking, but the political willingness to deny long-term residence to EU nationals who did not qualify for Treaty rights that would entitle them to do so.
This was particularly the case for so-called job-seekers who had no realistic prospect of securing long-term, permanent employment, many of whom entered the ranks of the 'self-employed'.
Just as the present government is paralysed when confronted by illegal migrants who appear on the Channel coast. so were earlier EU-era regimes when faced by EU migrants who had no right to be in the UK once their their three-month visit was over. The path of least resistance was to just allow them to disappear into the woodwork where they could become part of the grey economy, which was probably the intention all along.
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Post by Steve on Sept 13, 2023 9:09:38 GMT
So apart from the labour issues, the lack of access to CAP money, the extra paperwork and some restrictions on exporting farm produce to the EU from the UK please tell us just why farms haven't had their prospects screwed by Brexit? What Labour issues? Farmers can hire Brits and there's 1.44 million unemployed here. CAP money rewards farmers on the basis of how much land they own, see Monbiot's articles about it. Extra paperwork? Don't make me laugh. There's no extra paperwork in selling to the UK which is their bread and butter, UK farmers do very little in the way of exporting compared to domestic sales. Brexit has been very good to UK farmers. Any extra paperwork applies to EU farmers exporting to the UK far more than ours exporting to the EU. delusionary on so many points. You can't get enough Brits willing and able to do the work for the money EU derived workers would Many farmers will lose out as this idiot government replaces CAP with payments based on farmers alignment with government politics The extra paperwork is a fact Pre brexit UK farming exported £20B a year most to the EU. But I'm sure UK farmers welcome your offer to compensate them out of YOUR pocket for what you vested on them |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 13, 2023 9:39:01 GMT
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 13, 2023 9:43:55 GMT
Scotch whisky is the UK's principal agricultural export. Let them eat cake eh.
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Post by Vinny on Sept 13, 2023 9:45:12 GMT
And sales are doing very well.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 13, 2023 11:43:01 GMT
And a very good job too. Revenues from Scotch whisky cover about six months supply of imported fruit and vegetables.
But is it really agricultural production? Could the grain it uses sustain even a tiny fraction of the population?
It seems to me more a manufactured product, one which requires very little in the way of agricultural inputs, and even those could just as easily be sourced in the Ukraine or wherever.
Actually almost 40% of the UK's 'agricultural' exports consist of 'beverages' of one sort or another, very likely distilled spirits for the most part.
This gives a misleading impression of the UK's actual performance as an agricultural exporter.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 12:33:52 GMT
Lefties whine about low pay then want to import cheap labour ……
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 13, 2023 14:37:57 GMT
Lefties whine about low pay then want to import cheap labour …… Precisely, you couldn't make it up. Over the past 20 years nothing has kept shop floor pay down more than immigration. Yet trade unions and Labour who are supposedly the defenders of the poor downtrodden working class, want more immigration! Buggered if I can work it out. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 15:03:31 GMT
In the acquisitive status ridden society, no one will be cutting broccoli, filleting fish or cleaning hospital toilets.
The idea sold to brexiteers was that Brits would do it...as long as it isnt you.
Instead any increase in wages has been cancelled out by inflation and no one is better off. Just the opposite.
The economic argument 101 never took into account that things would change and ask if the dream could cope. It was all argued on the premise that everything would stay and the UK would work within it.
This is one stupid assumption...but worse, there was no plan, no back up, no contingency for the unexpected.
The migration, legal and illegal, will continue. Wages will be paid according to percentage of profit, not number of employees. If the latter happens, companies still can work through agencies to recruit from across the world.
What will happen is that they will bring another culture with them and for those who worry about culture wars, it is not good news.
It is a myth that you can manipulate the population and starve the economy of employees. That means a shrinking of production and bankruptcies.
But the general population doesnt appreciate that and will have to learn by
experience. When the streets are full of Indians via your trade deal, or Phillipinos who already have a nursing association, or those 90% of boat people approved for asylum, wages will still be
decided by unions and productivity.
Not the hope of an all British workforce toiling for the motherland as seen in communist propaganda posters.
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 15:08:57 GMT
Lefties whine about low pay then want to import cheap labour …… Precisely, you couldn't make it up. Over the past 20 years nothing has kept shop floor pay down more than immigration. Yet trade unions and Labour who are supposedly the defenders of the poor downtrodden working class, want more immigration! Buggered if I can work it out. Because you have completely left out inflation, which is not in any one country's gift to totally control. Unions want more PRODUCTION which allows higher wages. That means either investment in high tech and more job losses or more employees. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 15:14:46 GMT
Precisely, you couldn't make it up. Over the past 20 years nothing has kept shop floor pay down more than immigration. Yet trade unions and Labour who are supposedly the defenders of the poor downtrodden working class, want more immigration! Buggered if I can work it out. Because you have completely left out inflation, which is not in any one country's gift to totally control. Unions want more PRODUCTION which allows higher wages. That means either investment in high tech and more job losses or more employees. “Unions want more PRODUCTION” never has a statement revealed the perfect mix of delusion and ignorance than that . Congratulations. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 15:17:45 GMT
You think employees want LESS production?
That puts their jobs in jeopardy.
MORE production is a bargaining chip to higher wages.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 13, 2023 15:17:57 GMT
Precisely, you couldn't make it up. Over the past 20 years nothing has kept shop floor pay down more than immigration. Yet trade unions and Labour who are supposedly the defenders of the poor downtrodden working class, want more immigration! Buggered if I can work it out. Because you have completely left out inflation, which is not in any one country's gift to totally control. Unions want more PRODUCTION which allows higher wages. That means either investment in high tech and more job losses or more employees. I think you may find that militant left wing trade unions who demand more immigration, a four day week with employees paid for five days, and encourage industrial strife and strikes, do indeed affect inflation and production, but not in a positive way. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 15:18:55 GMT
And they dont get it.
Inflation is connected to global trade. The war in Ukraine made grain more expensive. Consider the number of items that use grain including animal feed.
Any increase in wages has been absorbed by higher prices. And the more costly the wage bill, the more expensive their production becomes as the added costs are paid by the consumer. Who demand higher wages to pay the higher costs.
It is very little to do with keeping labour numbers down. It was an over simplistic bogus brexit piece of bullshit that appealed to those who think economies are run like the corner shop.
Companies often increase the benefits of workers by offering shares or more time off or flexible working or providing a creche. But just more money makes everyone else want more money.
It is pointless.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 13, 2023 15:19:47 GMT
I know someone else who doesn't get it, lol. |
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