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Post by oracle75 on Sept 12, 2023 9:57:38 GMT
You said uncontrolled immigration. Best to post what you really mean then.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 12, 2023 10:04:57 GMT
You said uncontrolled immigration. Best to post what you really mean then. I know what I said . It was no less uncontrolled because it came from the EU. Dont let that shoulder chip turn you into a pedant . Oops too late .
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 12, 2023 10:14:10 GMT
You said uncontrolled immigration. Best to post what you really mean then. I know what I said . It was no less uncontrolled because it came from the EU. Dont let that shoulder chip turn you into a pedant . Oops too late . This makes no sense. The UK controlled non EU immigration and could deny EU immigration, since it was not part of Schengen. The points system came from the UK. It seems clear that anyone going to the UK went to work. Now they are no longer welcome, the UK is recruiting from places like Pakistan dailytimes.com.pk/119918/pakistani-nurses-to-serve-in-uk-healthcare-system-oec/And elsewhere...the UK says one in six working in the NHS is not from the UK. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7783/So what has changed?
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 12, 2023 10:19:31 GMT
What has changed is that immigration into the UK is running at record highs and practically all of those admitted are from non-EU countries, principally in Asia and Africa.
That's a fairly big change I'd have thought.
Mind you, it is now controlled in the sense that every new new entrant arrives grasping a paper from HM Gov giving them permission to enter.
That's progress of a sort, right?
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 12, 2023 10:23:54 GMT
No change. Papers were always necessary for non eu and eu entrants.
What HAS changed, if this is what you mean, is that now there are tens of thousands of migrants who dont have papers and who are living at the expense of the taxpayer, making the Home Sec and the UK look ridiculous.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 12, 2023 10:40:47 GMT
Of course it's a major change.
EU nationals were never subject to immigration control and therefore never required hold an official clearance to enter the UK issued by HM Gov or one of its immigration officers. A national identity card was all that was required.
Since Brexit all foreigners except Irish are subject to immigration control and must present on demand a valid international travel document as well as, in most cases, a visa (but not EU nationals).
So the change is one where 100% 'control' of immigration is claimed to be practised but also one where the barriers to entry have been largely dismantled.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 12, 2023 10:50:02 GMT
What has changed is that immigration into the UK is running at record highs and practically all of those admitted are from non-EU countries, principally in Asia and Africa.
That's a fairly big change I'd have thought.
Mind you, it is now controlled in the sense that every new new entrant arrives grasping a paper from HM Gov giving them permission to enter.
That's progress of a sort, right? Well the progress is that immigrants are now more educated and are higher earners. Still too many of them though.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 12, 2023 10:57:28 GMT
Actually among the very first changes made to the post-Brexit labour migration system was to lower the qualification and salary thresholds, and to remove all numerical caps.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 12, 2023 11:34:54 GMT
In practical terms there were no restrictions for EU immigration. No one said that they didn’t come here to work. In my industry were subject to a stream of East European casual workers recruited in Eastern Europe . You have no idea of what you are talking about . We should never had shipped in hordes of cheap labour from the EU and now we are not . Good for us . As for Pakistani nurses ..so what ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2023 11:54:51 GMT
In practical terms there were no restrictions for EU immigration. No one said that they didn’t come here to work. In my industry were subject to a stream of East European casual workers recruited in Eastern Europe . You have no idea of what you are talking about . We should never had shipped in hordes of cheap labour from the EU and now we are not . Good for us . As for Pakistani nurses ..so what ?The EUphiles racially abuse white English folk for supporting Leave, so I don't think it requires any further explanation as to why they continue to race-bait.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 12, 2023 14:17:34 GMT
Actually among the very first changes made to the post-Brexit labour migration system was to lower the qualification and salary thresholds, and to remove all numerical caps. There were no qualification and salary thresholds on EU migrants - or numerical caps.
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Post by Dan Dare on Sept 12, 2023 16:44:46 GMT
And yet the numbers of EU migrants has always been lower than non-EU migrants for as long as the EU and its predecessor organisations have been in existence.
Since migration of continental Europeans has now more or less ceased, it is clear that the European-descended proportion of the population is likely to diminish significantly in the coming years. As of the last census, of the almost 15 million in England and Wales who did not identify as white British, just 3.6 million (24%) were of continental European background.
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 12, 2023 17:30:06 GMT
Of course it's a major change. EU nationals were never subject to immigration control and therefore never required hold an official clearance to enter the UK issued by HM Gov or one of its immigration officers. A national identity card was all that was required. Since Brexit all foreigners except Irish are subject to immigration control and must present on demand a valid international travel document as well as, in most cases, a visa (but not EU nationals). So the change is one where 100% 'control' of immigration is claimed to be practised but also one where the barriers to entry have been largely dismantled. There was always the capacity for the UK to deny entry to EU nationals. That is why there was always passport control at the border. It always asked if entry was for business or tourism. What the UK didnt do is make sure tourists went home. If EU nationals and USA/Canadian and other countries dont need a visa, just as entry to the USA doesnt require a visa for entrance (visa waived) then the entry requirements into the UK today are no different than they were pre 2011.
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 12, 2023 17:34:28 GMT
In practical terms there were no restrictions for EU immigration. No one said that they didn’t come here to work. In my industry were subject to a stream of East European casual workers recruited in Eastern Europe . You have no idea of what you are talking about . We should never had shipped in hordes of cheap labour from the EU and now we are not . Good for us . As for Pakistani nurses ..so what ? The point being thz numbers wont change. They will just come from somewhere else. And for those who blather about losing UK identity, nothing Brexit changed will prevent that. In fact cultures from outside the UK/the West will become more prevalent.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 12, 2023 18:49:02 GMT
In practical terms there were no restrictions for EU immigration. No one said that they didn’t come here to work. In my industry were subject to a stream of East European casual workers recruited in Eastern Europe . You have no idea of what you are talking about . We should never had shipped in hordes of cheap labour from the EU and now we are not . Good for us . As for Pakistani nurses ..so what ? The point being thz numbers wont change. They will just come from somewhere else. And for those who blather about losing UK identity, nothing Brexit changed will prevent that. In fact cultures from outside the UK/the West will become more prevalent. No they won’t . If you restrict immigrants then the employers will have to wean themselves off of unending cheap labour . Shipping in nurses from Lithuania is just as contemptible as shipping in nurses from Pakistan . Shipping in never ending cheap Labour to work in industry is an excuse fir employers to be lazy , unimaginative and greedy. Blathering about UK identity?. You don’t know what you what you are in about . Do you sneer at French identity or German identity ? Self hating Brits and wannabe Eurocitizens R us.
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