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Post by Bentley on Sept 11, 2023 9:43:45 GMT
But not a crisis . Having access to unlimited cheap labour would be a problem but it’s not a crisis I've consistently said Brexit is not a disaster. It just is a problem with obvious downsides and no tangible benefits yet or even in view Me…the truth is that there is no CRISIS in agriculture due to a lack of migrants . Your reply …you think you know better than the farmers? You don't Then you posted a link that confirmed there was no CRISIS . Of course turning off the tap of cheap foreign labour is going to cause a problem to some and an opportunity to others . The tangible benefits are to the employees and future employees . |
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Post by Steve on Sept 11, 2023 9:50:42 GMT
I live in a rural community, did it not cross your mind that I might know what they're saying but I can't quote them so I quoted their sector mouthpieces instead. Seems you want to shoot the messenger.
I'm sure you'll be telling us all how good it is when we see that idiot deal with India and how we can now import Indian labour to work on our farms, get citizenship and even further undermine UK born wages. You know the wages that in real terms fell because of that devaluation your Brexit vested on the UK
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Post by Bentley on Sept 11, 2023 9:59:48 GMT
I live in a rural community, did it not cross your mind that I might know what they're saying but I can't quote them so I quoted their sector mouthpieces instead. Seems you want to shoot the messenger. I'm sure you'll be telling us all how good it is when we see that idiot deal with India and how we can now import Indian labour to work on our farms, get citizenship and even further undermine UK born wages. You know the wages that in real terms fell because of that devaluation your Brexit vested on the UK I’m sure that you will be telling me that I’m going to post something that I had no intention to do . Oh look , you just did . It would have been easier and a bit more honest of you to admit that there is no crisis . Oh look , you didn’t . |
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Post by Steve on Sept 11, 2023 12:50:06 GMT
It's a crisis for a few, it's a problem for many
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Post by Bentley on Sept 11, 2023 12:58:34 GMT
It's a crisis for a few, it's a problem for many Not a national crisis by any standard and an opportunity for many . Now Steve’s going to tell us about farmer Giles who didn’t have enough strawberry pickers and then try to frame that into a context that justifies his failure to admit there was no crisis. |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 11, 2023 14:32:53 GMT
Inefficient farming costs the taxpayer a lot in subsidies.
Modernisation of farming would be a good thing.
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Post by Steve on Sept 11, 2023 17:19:39 GMT
Inefficient farming costs the taxpayer a lot in subsidies. Modernisation of farming would be a good thing. Needs investment but it's hard to argue for that investment when Brexit has screwed the prospects for UK farming |
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Post by Vinny on Sept 11, 2023 17:36:57 GMT
Inefficient farming costs the taxpayer a lot in subsidies. Modernisation of farming would be a good thing. Needs investment but it's hard to argue for that investment when Brexit has screwed the prospects for UK farmingThere's a free trade agreement in place. Brexit has not screwed the prospects for UK farming. |
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Post by Steve on Sept 11, 2023 20:14:43 GMT
Needs investment but it's hard to argue for that investment when Brexit has screwed the prospects for UK farmingThere's a free trade agreement in place. Brexit has not screwed the prospects for UK farming. So apart from the labour issues, the lack of access to CAP money, the extra paperwork and some restrictions on exporting farm produce to the EU from the UK please tell us just why farms haven't had their prospects screwed by Brexit? |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 12, 2023 7:18:34 GMT
Nobody can say they were not warned what the aim of the EU was...
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Post by Vinny on Sept 12, 2023 9:10:51 GMT
There's a free trade agreement in place. Brexit has not screwed the prospects for UK farming. So apart from the labour issues, the lack of access to CAP money, the extra paperwork and some restrictions on exporting farm produce to the EU from the UK please tell us just why farms haven't had their prospects screwed by Brexit? What Labour issues? Farmers can hire Brits and there's 1.44 million unemployed here. CAP money rewards farmers on the basis of how much land they own, see Monbiot's articles about it. Extra paperwork? Don't make me laugh. There's no extra paperwork in selling to the UK which is their bread and butter, UK farmers do very little in the way of exporting compared to domestic sales. Brexit has been very good to UK farmers. Any extra paperwork applies to EU farmers exporting to the UK far more than ours exporting to the EU. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 12, 2023 9:42:20 GMT
The labour issues are due to uncontrolled immigration in the past .
Uncontrolled immigration caused its own negative issues that we are still living with today .
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 12, 2023 9:49:26 GMT
So apart from the labour issues, the lack of access to CAP money, the extra paperwork and some restrictions on exporting farm produce to the EU from the UK please tell us just why farms haven't had their prospects screwed by Brexit? What Labour issues? Farmers can hire Brits and there's 1.44 million unemployed here. CAP money rewards farmers on the basis of how much land they own, see Monbiot's articles about it. Extra paperwork? Don't make me laugh. There's no extra paperwork in selling to the UK which is their bread and butter, UK farmers do very little in the way of exporting compared to domestic sales. Brexit has been very good to UK farmers. Any extra paperwork applies to EU farmers exporting to the UK far more than ours exporting to the EU. Lest we forget, Vinny lives on his own island, expects the disabled, sick or retired to work for his benefit, sees no value in trade and has no idea of the amount of paperwork involved in exporting. He wants no tariffs on what doesnt grow or be produced in the UK so denying the ability to make money by trading for someone else who can produce items the UK needs... He would be happier in a medieval village. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 12, 2023 9:51:12 GMT
The labour issues are due to uncontrolled immigration in the past . Uncontrolled immigration caused its own negative issues that we are still living with today . You do know that the UK introduced a points system for non EU immigrants in 2008, effective in 2011, dont you? You had controlled immigration 5 years before Brexit. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 12, 2023 9:54:14 GMT
The labour issues are due to uncontrolled immigration in the past . Uncontrolled immigration caused its own negative issues that we are still living with today . You do know that the UK introduced a points system for non EU immigrants in 2008, effective in 2011, dont you? You had controlled immigration 5 years before Brexit. I wasn’t referring to non EU immigrants . Try to keep up. |
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