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Post by zanygame on Sept 6, 2023 21:51:56 GMT
The poll in the OP is 62%. Your average figure is achieved by taking account of all polls since 2016. The figure is higher if you take the average of only the last couple of years (which is the sensible thing to do). No the last Poll was by Deltapoll on 24-25 Aug. They had only 48% to rejoin. In fact there was another poll by Omnisis that found the same level of support. So from the poll cited in the OP the 2 latest polls have shown a collapse in support to rejoin... link? |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 6, 2023 22:02:49 GMT
I've twice provided links to the collapse in the rejoin vote - but here we go again DeltapollOmnisis I only looked at the first, but Rejoin beat Stay Out by a whole 10 points!!!! Assuming the second poll is the same, that's now 82 polls in a row where Rejoin has defeated Stay Out, very often by a significant lead!!! support has collapsed from 62% to 48% in a week... ..and in case you missed it, the last time your side got 48% you lost..  |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 6, 2023 22:11:52 GMT
I only looked at the first, but Rejoin beat Stay Out by a whole 10 points!!!! Assuming the second poll is the same, that's now 82 polls in a row where Rejoin has defeated Stay Out, very often by a significant lead!!! support has collapsed from 62% to 48% in a week... ..and in case you missed it, the last time your side got 48% you lost.. Seems pretty unlikely |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 6, 2023 22:16:21 GMT
support has collapsed from 62% to 48% in a week... ..and in case you missed it, the last time your side got 48% you lost.. Seems pretty unlikely Why do you say that? - it is what the polls tell us. As we are not allowed to use poll averages then headline figures show support for rejoin collapsing. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 6, 2023 22:39:11 GMT
I only looked at the first, but Rejoin beat Stay Out by a whole 10 points!!!! Assuming the second poll is the same, that's now 82 polls in a row where Rejoin has defeated Stay Out, very often by a significant lead!!! support has collapsed from 62% to 48% in a week... ..and in case you missed it, the last time your side got 48% you lost.. Erm ... there are conflicting polls. That isn't a collapse. The one I cited is more consistent with with all of the recent polls. It is a continuation of a trajectory that has been ongoing for a long time. Your results are anomalous. So, on the balance of probability, which poll is likely to be the better indicator? And I notice that you're ignoring the fact that the so-called collapsed side still beat 'your side' by a 10 point lead. I may not have mentioned this, but that makes it 82 defeats in a row. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 7, 2023 6:00:14 GMT
Why do you say that? - it is what the polls tell us. As we are not allowed to use poll averages then headline figures show support for rejoin collapsing. I don't know what your polls say as you have provided no link. But if they are right then 48% of people would vote rejoin. 31% would vote stay out. And 21% would not vote. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 7, 2023 6:34:08 GMT
support has collapsed from 62% to 48% in a week... ..and in case you missed it, the last time your side got 48% you lost.. Erm ... there are conflicting polls. That isn't a collapse.Support went from 62% to 48% in a matter of days. From a resounding victory to not even being in the majority. If that is not a collapse I'd like to know what is.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 7, 2023 6:36:48 GMT
Why do you say that? - it is what the polls tell us. As we are not allowed to use poll averages then headline figures show support for rejoin collapsing. I don't know what your polls say as you have provided no link. But if they are right then 48% of people would vote rejoin. 31% would vote stay out. And 21% would not vote. Which is not a majority. What is the point of going to all the expense and upheaval of a referendum for a policy that does not command majority support? |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 7, 2023 8:44:23 GMT
I don't know what your polls say as you have provided no link. But if they are right then 48% of people would vote rejoin. 31% would vote stay out. And 21% would not vote. Which is not a majority. What is the point of going to all the expense and upheaval of a referendum for a policy that does not command majority support? So, you admit that more people would rather rejoin than stay out, then. And your question implies that there would be a 'point' in having another referendum if it could be demonstrated that there is majority support. With the exception of your recent polls, all polls have shown a majority wishing to rejoin(including a very recent one, putting rejoin figures at 62%). If your own preferred methodology is used, and the average in recent years is considered, then there is every indication of majority support. Thanks for providing links that showed that Rejoin has won every one of the last 82 polls, by the way. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 8:49:26 GMT
The fact that the EU is relying on foreign trolls tells us that not all it what it seems.
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 7, 2023 8:50:54 GMT
The fact that the EU is relying on foreign trolls tells us that not all it what it seems. 82 polls in a row. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 8:58:12 GMT
The only thing that matters is democracy and the means to see it through. I understand that the obsessed foreign EUphiles who interfere in national democracies are EU fascists. However, nothing has changed. The same lot who were adamant that Remain would win the referendum, because their dodgy polls suggested as much, are the same lot in a state of constant repetition. The real people have had their say.
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 7, 2023 9:04:10 GMT
The only thing that matters is democracy and the means to see it through. I understand that the obsessed foreign EUphiles who interfere in national democracies are EU fascists. However, nothing has changed. The same lot who were adamant that Remain would win the referendum, because their dodgy polls suggested as much, are the same lot in a state of constant repetition. The real people have had their say. You have an odd idea of how democracy works,. It's supposed to be the wishes of the majority. 82 polls in a row is pretty conclusive. Nobody expects another referendum any time soon. Not least because the EU won't take the UK back, not as a full member at any rate.. However, the withdrawal agreement is coming up for review, and Labour (possibly as part of a Lib Dem coalition) will likely move things more in the direction of Brino, as a prelude to the inevitable second referendum within the next 10 years. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 7, 2023 9:55:23 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Sept 7, 2023 19:45:40 GMT
The only thing that matters is democracy and the means to see it through. I understand that the obsessed foreign EUphiles who interfere in national democracies are EU fascists. However, nothing has changed. The same lot who were adamant that Remain would win the referendum, because their dodgy polls suggested as much, are the same lot in a state of constant repetition. The real people have had their say. The only thing that matters is democracy. The will of the people. Not one vote and then deny any right to change your mind. |
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