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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 18:31:00 GMT
Which supports my point . Throwing bodies at production is not the answer . Technology is the answer for most cases of lack of employees . The only problem is how quickly you can apply it . Absolutely agree Bentley. Can't stop progress anyway. The bit I'm trying to get recognised is that with automation generally means the money going to less people. That means more people not able to pay tax. So we need to address this change. Depends on many factors imo. I hope that technology will eventually mean shorter working hours and more employed ( don’t confuse that with shipping in thousands of migrants) but imo that won’t happen unless there is a socialist government . I suspect we are gravitating towards a neoliberal society of very ,very rich people , an underclass and no middle class . |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 18:33:14 GMT
You have not answered the question of who is going to pay all that unemployment benefit? And no. There are many jobs that cant be replaced by automation...teaching, health care, home delivery, research, for example. Even though tech is involved, it requires people to use it. Sadly Oracle I fear you are wrong. Home delivery by machine is simple, but even teaching and research are not safe from AI. You are right, the tech needs people, but each time you need less people. For the third time, who will pay the unemployment benefits. And do you want a society where a majority dont work? Seems a road to general depression and mental illness to me. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 18:36:28 GMT
Universal basic income .
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Post by Montegriffo on Sept 13, 2023 18:43:07 GMT
Didn't someone already suggest workhouses?
Can't have anyone getting something for nothing.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 18:48:43 GMT
Didn't someone already suggest workhouses? Can't have anyone getting something for nothing. That would be a hoot on Christmas Day . Anyway, that would technically be employing them . |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 19:00:40 GMT
So how are you gpung to pay unemployment benefit? Technology is the answer for most cases of LACK of employees. Read this line very carefully and you will find the fault in your reasoning ..hopefully . If only that were true. You get low unemployment once in a decade and you talk as if its the norm. Not forgetting most of those jobs pay below 14k a year. Technology makes people unemployed. Ask all those who used to work in banks and accounting and now work for amazon. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 19:07:04 GMT
Absolutely agree Bentley. Can't stop progress anyway. The bit I'm trying to get recognised is that with automation generally means the money going to less people. That means more people not able to pay tax. So we need to address this change. Depends on many factors imo. I hope that technology will eventually mean shorter working hours and more employed ( don’t confuse that with shipping in thousands of migrants) but imo that won’t happen unless there is a socialist government . I suspect we are gravitating towards a neoliberal society of very ,very rich people , an underclass and no middle class . People sharing the ever decreasing number of jobs? And do you think generous employers will pay them double the money for half the hours? I wish I shared your optimism Bentley, but I fear not. We can't even get people to recognise why the NHS costs more these days, even when they hear about new wonder drugs and scanners, genetic engineering and mechanical limbs. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 19:07:28 GMT
Technology is the answer for most cases of LACK of employees. Read this line very carefully and you will find the fault in your reasoning ..hopefully . If only that were true. You get low unemployment once in a decade and you talk as if its the norm. Not forgetting most of those jobs pay below 14k a year. Technology makes people unemployed. Ask all those who used to work in banks and accounting and now work for amazon. I don’t talk about it as if it’s the norm , don’t lie. The question was about lack of staff in the present . If we are to believe that we soon will have more unemployment then why are you lefties wanting more migrants to enter the country? |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 19:08:46 GMT
Depends on many factors imo. I hope that technology will eventually mean shorter working hours and more employed ( don’t confuse that with shipping in thousands of migrants) but imo that won’t happen unless there is a socialist government . I suspect we are gravitating towards a neoliberal society of very ,very rich people , an underclass and no middle class . People sharing the ever decreasing number of jobs? And do you think generous employers will pay them double the money for half the hours? I wish I shared your optimism Bentley, but I fear not. We can't even get people to recognise why the NHS costs more these days, even when they hear about new wonder drugs and scanners, genetic engineering and mechanical limbs. I wish that you had read my post properly . |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 19:18:23 GMT
If only that were true. You get low unemployment once in a decade and you talk as if its the norm. Not forgetting most of those jobs pay below 14k a year. Technology makes people unemployed. Ask all those who used to work in banks and accounting and now work for amazon. I don’t talk about it as if it’s the norm , don’t lie. The question was about lack of staff in the present . If we are to believe that we soon will have more unemployment then why are you lefties wanting more migrants to enter the country? I wasn't lying Bentley, but I clearly misunderstood you. Apologies. In return. 1, I'm not a leftie. 2, I do not want more migrants. For the record I think the UK is full and there is not enough unused countryside left for our mental health. (Immigration hasn't slowed since we left the EU either. hmm) And so 3, I want to rejoin the EU but not to bring in cheap labour, but because I think with the emergence of the BRIC countries we need the protection of belonging to a large bloc with similar standards. (Probably a whole different thread) |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 19:26:33 GMT
I don’t talk about it as if it’s the norm , don’t lie. The question was about lack of staff in the present . If we are to believe that we soon will have more unemployment then why are you lefties wanting more migrants to enter the country? I wasn't lying Bentley, but I clearly misunderstood you. Apologies. In return. 1, I'm not a leftie. 2, I do not want more migrants. For the record I think the UK is full and there is not enough unused countryside left for our mental health. (Immigration hasn't slowed since we left the EU either. hmm) And so 3, I want to rejoin the EU but not to bring in cheap labour, but because I think with the emergence of the BRIC countries we need the protection of belonging to a large bloc with similar standards. (Probably a whole different thread) If we join the EU we will get cheap labour. A lot of it . The EU is like the Titanic . We just jumped into a lifeboat before the iceberg emerged . |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 19:40:10 GMT
I wasn't lying Bentley, but I clearly misunderstood you. Apologies. In return. 1, I'm not a leftie. 2, I do not want more migrants. For the record I think the UK is full and there is not enough unused countryside left for our mental health. (Immigration hasn't slowed since we left the EU either. hmm) And so 3, I want to rejoin the EU but not to bring in cheap labour, but because I think with the emergence of the BRIC countries we need the protection of belonging to a large bloc with similar standards. (Probably a whole different thread) If we join the EU we will get cheap labour. A lot of it . The EU is like the Titanic . We just jumped into a lifeboat before the iceberg emerged . Well hopefully not. The EU offered us a moratorium on FoM before we left because of our particular circumstances. I would hope before re-joining we would sort out these issues. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 13, 2023 19:42:34 GMT
If we join the EU we will get cheap labour. A lot of it . The EU is like the Titanic . We just jumped into a lifeboat before the iceberg emerged . Well hopefully not. The EU offered us a moratorium on FoM before we left because of our particular circumstances. I would hope before re-joining we would sort out these issues. Not actually the whole truth, they gave a time limit. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 19:46:38 GMT
Why is "cheap labour"from the EU worse than cheap labour from somewhere else?
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 19:46:49 GMT
If we join the EU we will get cheap labour. A lot of it . The EU is like the Titanic . We just jumped into a lifeboat before the iceberg emerged . Well hopefully not. The EU offered us a moratorium on FoM before we left because of our particular circumstances. I would hope before re-joining we would sort out these issues. The EU will not let us re join without FOM . We will have to join the single currency and pay them lots of money too. |
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