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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2023 17:06:31 GMT
Productivity gains lead to more growth and more growth leads to more taxes...
Besides we are not talking a bout producing more, we are talking about the same production done by machines instead of people. Why would they not pay tax? - the highest tax burden since WW2 suggests that quite a lot of people are paying a lot of tax.. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 17:08:40 GMT
Jeez. There is no method, mine of otherwise. What there is are facts. Many well paid jobs have gone to automation, many more go every year. All that's left are cheap jobs not worth the cost of automation. Productivity is all that matters provided the person getting all the money from the new automation pays all the tax. But its not happening because idiots similar to you say its unfair for tax rates to go up. Thus we end up with a huge wealth gap and a shitty second world country. You're repeating what I've told you back to me now  Than Sweden Lol. One small country. And the rest of Europe? Round and round. |
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Post by sheepy on Sept 13, 2023 17:11:51 GMT
321 back in reality, there is no way 62% of people will be voting to rejoin the EU.
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 17:18:32 GMT
321 back in reality, there is no way 62% of people will be voting to rejoin the EU. I'll let hem know. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 17:35:39 GMT
If technology reduces jobs then that is part of the solution to the problem of too few employees . Jeez.🙄 Yes but what we currently have is unusual. When this years inflation sky rocketed my company increased wages by about 12% to keep staff, but we also invested in technology to get rid of 18 staff out of the 126 we employed. The direction of travel is relentless Which supports my point . Throwing bodies at production is not the answer . Technology is the answer for most cases of lack of employees . The only problem is how quickly you can apply it . |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2023 17:38:21 GMT
You're repeating what I've told you back to me now Than Sweden Lol. One small country. And the rest of Europe? Well I have to keep repeating things as you seem to be a tad confused - as far as Sweden goes I thought the aim of the progressives was to have an economy based on the Nordic model? If not Sweden what economy do you want to emulate? |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 17:46:53 GMT
[b So who is going to pay their unemployment benefits and keep up with inflation? Productivity gains lead to more growth and more growth leads to more taxes... And what makes productivity? Input of labour/work. Not less. More. |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 17:48:09 GMT
Yes but what we currently have is unusual. When this years inflation sky rocketed my company increased wages by about 12% to keep staff, but we also invested in technology to get rid of 18 staff out of the 126 we employed. The direction of travel is relentless Which supports my point . Throwing bodies at production is not the answer . Technology is the answer for most cases of lack of employees . The only problem is how quickly you can apply it . So how are you gpung to pay unemployment benefit? |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 17:54:45 GMT
So if we follow the logic of reducing employees equals higher wages, i suppose the poor wages of carers will improve if some are disqualified from working.
Some teachers should be disqualified.
Some health practitioners should be disqualified.
And the waiting lists will just have to double.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2023 18:00:19 GMT
Productivity gains lead to more growth and more growth leads to more taxes... And what makes productivity? Input of labour/work. Not less. More. Productivity is the amount of value created for each hour that is worked - so if investment in technology means that 1 worker can have the same output as 10 workers previously productivity has improved. You dont increase productivity by hiring more workers. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 18:07:47 GMT
Yes but what we currently have is unusual. When this years inflation sky rocketed my company increased wages by about 12% to keep staff, but we also invested in technology to get rid of 18 staff out of the 126 we employed. The direction of travel is relentless Which supports my point . Throwing bodies at production is not the answer . Technology is the answer for most cases of lack of employees . The only problem is how quickly you can apply it . Absolutely agree Bentley. Can't stop progress anyway. The bit I'm trying to get recognised is that with automation generally means the money going to less people. That means more people not able to pay tax. So we need to address this change. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 18:09:18 GMT
And what makes productivity? Input of labour/work. Not less. More. Productivity is the amount of value created for each hour that is worked - so if investment in technology means that 1 worker can have the same output as 10 workers previously productivity has improved. You dont increase productivity by hiring more workers. Yes I know that. See my answer above to Bentley |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 18:15:06 GMT
And what makes productivity? Input of labour/work. Not less. More. Productivity is the amount of value created for each hour that is worked - so if investment in technology means that 1 worker can have the same output as 10 workers previously productivity has improved. You dont increase productivity by hiring more workers. You have not answered the question of who is going to pay all that unemployment benefit? And no. There are many jobs that cant be replaced by automation...teaching, health care, home delivery, research, for example. Even though tech is involved, it requires people to use it. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 18:22:46 GMT
Productivity is the amount of value created for each hour that is worked - so if investment in technology means that 1 worker can have the same output as 10 workers previously productivity has improved. You dont increase productivity by hiring more workers. You have not answered the question of who is going to pay all that unemployment benefit? And no. There are many jobs that cant be replaced by automation...teaching, health care, home delivery, research, for example. Even though tech is involved, it requires people to use it. Sadly Oracle I fear you are wrong. Home delivery by machine is simple, but even teaching and research are not safe from AI. You are right, the tech needs people, but each time you need less people. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 18:25:27 GMT
Which supports my point . Throwing bodies at production is not the answer . Technology is the answer for most cases of lack of employees . The only problem is how quickly you can apply it . So how are you gpung to pay unemployment benefit? Technology is the answer for most cases of LACK of employees. Read this line very carefully and you will find the fault in your reasoning ..hopefully . |
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