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Post by zanygame on Sept 12, 2023 15:16:36 GMT
Who do I report you to for personal insults? I have never approved poverty wages, my staff are all well paid and I have never employed a non UK citizen to my best knowledge. Time and again you have called for mass immigration so as to keep wages lower to help businesses - that thinking is why we have such an extensive program of in-work welfare payments to top up the poverty pay that companies can then get away with. Any reports are done through the normal channels - we have had Mods reported before and they just sit out judgement process. I most certainly have not NOT EVER. I think the UK is overpopulated and want all further immigration stopped. I have pointed out endlessly that governments use immigration to increase GDP because we're all to miserly to pay the tax needed for the services and care provided. The extensive program of in work welfare is a result of low paid jobs not a cause of it. We have low paid jobs because many of the semi skilled ones have gone to automation and AI. People were able to set up low paid businesses such as cafes and soft play because people were willing to work for lower money. (The gig economy.) Most of those jobs would disappear if wages rise. So those people would not be better paid they would be unemployed. Indeed a great swatch of people lost their jobs when the last minimum wage rise was made and many went self employed and are in fact earning less than minimum wage. I have explained this to you a dozen times now and still you throw the stupid insults. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 12, 2023 16:57:01 GMT
The extensive program of in work welfare is a result of low paid jobs not a cause of it. The cause is importing cheap labour so as to keep wages low. we have a shortage of workers with wages rising - supply and demand old son. We want wages to rise and for those businesses who depend on low wages to survive to go bust. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 7:16:17 GMT
The extensive program of in work welfare is a result of low paid jobs not a cause of it. Yet those wages didn't rise after the cheap labour left in 2016. They rose when inflation shot up because of a war in Ukraine old boy. Fair enough. Of course you may change your mind when enough of them go bust and all the better paid jobs within them disappear as well. And ofcourse all those cheap workers also have an effect on demand so the effects you currently applaud will be short lived. Its basic supply and demand. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2023 7:24:07 GMT
Yet those wages didn't rise after the cheap labour left in 2016. They rose when inflation shot up because of a war in Ukraine old boy. Well thats untrue - the shortage of truck drivers (and the subsequent boom in wages) predated Ukraine by years, the exodus of tens of thousands of EU drivers due to Brexit being a major cause. Moving from jobs that need supporting by the taxpayer to jobs that pay enough that they need no state support is the only way you get growth - we have tried your way and it didnt work. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 7:36:34 GMT
Yet those wages didn't rise after the cheap labour left in 2016. They rose when inflation shot up because of a war in Ukraine old boy. Seriously? how many jobs was that then. Oh and truck drivers were already reasonably well paid, so it wasn't the cheap labour that left. How many people from our gig economy seized the opportunity to take these jobs paying 30 to 40k a year? My way. Its no more my way than the earth orbiting the sun is my way. I described what happened, it was not my chosen course. It was caused by automation and automation is not going away. Automation takes the well paid jobs. The ones its worth buying the machines to replace. So do tell me, how are you going to get your way going. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2023 7:40:44 GMT
Seriously? how many jobs was that then. Oh and truck drivers were already reasonably well paid, so it wasn't the cheap labour that left. There's about 275,000 of them - all getting better pay because access to cheap labour has been curtailed. I already said - reduce the access to cheap labour and business will invest in technology. The days when a company could pick up the phone to an employment agency and get a dozen workers from the other side of Europe on minimum wage the following week are hopefully now over. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 8:44:23 GMT
Seriously? how many jobs was that then. Oh and truck drivers were already reasonably well paid, so it wasn't the cheap labour that left. So. 0.8% of jobs, only another 99.2% to go. And you failed to address the point that these jobs were already fairly well paid. I already said - reduce the access to cheap labour and business will invest in technology. The days when a company could pick up the phone to an employment agency and get a dozen workers from the other side of Europe on minimum wage the following week are hopefully now over. Jeez. When a company invests in technology it reduces jobs. There are millions of British workers on low pay and in work benefits, they will not get jobs from automation. Are you struggling to follow this? |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2023 12:24:18 GMT
Jeez. When a company invests in technology it reduces jobs. There are millions of British workers on low pay and in work benefits, they will not get jobs from automation. Are you struggling to follow this? LOL - you do not get productivity improvements by relying on cheap labour. We tried your method and it failed - productivity growth has been stagnant since the mid 2000's when Labour threw open the doors to mass immigration. Improvements in productivity come from investment - investment in technology and training so that 1 worker can do the job of 10. And in the long run productivity is all that matters. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 13, 2023 12:31:16 GMT
If technology reduces jobs then that is part of the solution to the problem of too few employees .
Jeez.🙄
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 13, 2023 15:15:45 GMT
If technology reduces jobs then that is part of the solution to the problem of too few employees . Jeez.🙄 [b So who is going to pay their unemployment benefits and keep up with inflation? |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 16:07:24 GMT
Jeez. When a company invests in technology it reduces jobs. There are millions of British workers on low pay and in work benefits, they will not get jobs from automation. Are you struggling to follow this? LOL - you do not get productivity improvements by relying on cheap labour. We tried your method and it failed - productivity growth has been stagnant since the mid 2000's when Labour threw open the doors to mass immigration. Improvements in productivity come from investment - investment in technology and training so that 1 worker can do the job of 10. And in the long run productivity is all that matters. Jeez. There is no method, mine of otherwise. What there is are facts. Many well paid jobs have gone to automation, many more go every year. All that's left are cheap jobs not worth the cost of automation. Productivity is all that matters provided the person getting all the money from the new automation pays all the tax. But its not happening because idiots similar to you say its unfair for tax rates to go up. Thus we end up with a huge wealth gap and a shitty second world country. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 16:11:23 GMT
If technology reduces jobs then that is part of the solution to the problem of too few employees . Jeez.🙄 Yes but what we currently have is unusual. When this years inflation sky rocketed my company increased wages by about 12% to keep staff, but we also invested in technology to get rid of 18 staff out of the 126 we employed. The direction of travel is relentless |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2023 16:55:25 GMT
If technology reduces jobs then that is part of the solution to the problem of too few employees . Jeez.🙄 [b So who is going to pay their unemployment benefits and keep up with inflation? Productivity gains lead to more growth and more growth leads to more taxes... |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 13, 2023 16:58:46 GMT
LOL - you do not get productivity improvements by relying on cheap labour. We tried your method and it failed - productivity growth has been stagnant since the mid 2000's when Labour threw open the doors to mass immigration. Improvements in productivity come from investment - investment in technology and training so that 1 worker can do the job of 10. And in the long run productivity is all that matters. Jeez. There is no method, mine of otherwise. What there is are facts. Many well paid jobs have gone to automation, many more go every year. All that's left are cheap jobs not worth the cost of automation. Productivity is all that matters provided the person getting all the money from the new automation pays all the tax. But its not happening because idiots similar to you say its unfair for tax rates to go up. Thus we end up with a huge wealth gap and a shitty second world country. Progress means that more jobs all the time are automated - AI is being introduced that does the work of journalists, medics, authors etc etc. Technological progress has not stopped. We have the highest level of taxation since WW2 and a less wealth inequality than Sweden - what we dont have is productivity growth because we have become so reliant on cheap foreign labour. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 13, 2023 17:02:27 GMT
[b So who is going to pay their unemployment benefits and keep up with inflation? Productivity gains lead to more growth and more growth leads to more taxes... Not if the money goes to less people who don't pay it in tax. Besides we are not talking a bout producing more, we are talking about the same production done by machines instead of people. |
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