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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2023 21:39:50 GMT
 Keir Starmer is no fool, he knows that Brexit was one of the reasons why Labour lost the so called "Red Wall" seats, but Jeremy Corbyn was the main reason. It makes no sense to have referendum, and then another referendum only 7 or 8 years later, I personaly believe that there should be at least 10 years before its reconsidered. If there is a long, sustained period over many years where polls indicate that the people wish to rejoin, then another referendum must be held. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 7, 2023 21:42:36 GMT
Half the EU are not in Eurotom. Nuclear is OK but renewables have taken the lead now. Like I said the UK cherry picked what it wanted to be part of. It also opted out of Eramus+  Like I said, so did Germany and Italy. That's the great thing about the EU. Freedom of choice. |
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Post by buccaneer on Sept 8, 2023 6:06:22 GMT
Like I said the UK cherry picked what it wanted to be part of. It also opted out of Eramus+ Like I said, so did Germany and Italy. That's the great thing about the EU. Freedom of choice. I wouldn't go though far. I agree freedom of choice is a good thing. Like the freedom of choice to leave the EU. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 8, 2023 6:34:29 GMT
..and 2 more recent polls put it at 48%. That is a collapse in support by anyone's measure. More recent by a couple of days, Doc. It seems extraordinary that support would fall from 62% to 48% in such a short time. The vast majority of polls have been putting support for rejoin in the mid fifties and upwards for a long time. Your results are outliers. And even if they weren't, they're still indicative of a trend towards rejoin. Really?. Then perhaps using averaged poll results is a good idea as it excludes outliers... ....ooh...ahhh...  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 7:20:52 GMT
The only thing that matters is democracy. The will of the people. Not one vote and then deny any right to change your mind. It took 40 years to get a democratic vote to see if we had indeed changed our minds. Over that period what we voted for changed from a Common Market to a European Union. Yes, but people were less self-important and not driven by the more modern sense of entitlement. The reality is that Zanygame hasn't changed his mind. He, like many others on here, just refuse to accept the direct democratic outcome and rely on the Obi Wan one-liners. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 8, 2023 8:20:28 GMT
More recent by a couple of days, Doc. It seems extraordinary that support would fall from 62% to 48% in such a short time. The vast majority of polls have been putting support for rejoin in the mid fifties and upwards for a long time. Your results are outliers. And even if they weren't, they're still indicative of a trend towards rejoin. Really?. Then perhaps using averaged poll results is a good idea as it excludes outliers... ....ooh...ahhh... Use averages. But use them properly. Your 48% average is the result of considering polls since 2016, not recent years. And it's obvious why you don't want to do that.  Turns out, that 'your side' has lost more than 90 polls in a row, not the 80 I mentioned. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2023 10:02:58 GMT
..and 2 more recent polls put it at 48%. That is a collapse in support by anyone's measure. More recent by a couple of days, Doc. It seems extraordinary that support would fall from 62% to 48% in such a short time. The vast majority of polls have been putting support for rejoin in the mid fifties and upwards for a long time. Your results are outliers. And even if they weren't, they're still indicative of a trend towards rejoin. It's likely due to the 62% being a fantasy of your EU brainwashed mind. It's why I say give us another vote. Leavers are have been in the majority in elections since 2015. Another vote would still not shut up the EU cultists. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 8, 2023 10:05:19 GMT
More recent by a couple of days, Doc. It seems extraordinary that support would fall from 62% to 48% in such a short time. The vast majority of polls have been putting support for rejoin in the mid fifties and upwards for a long time. Your results are outliers. And even if they weren't, they're still indicative of a trend towards rejoin. It's likely due to the 62% being a fantasy of your EU brainwashed mind. It's why I say give us another vote. Leavers are have been in the majority in elections since 2015. Another vote would still not shut up the EU cultists. Another vote is coming, Ned. If 90 polls in a row will not convince you of that, nothing will. It really doesn't matter that you cant' accept that. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 8, 2023 10:47:03 GMT
Really?. Then perhaps using averaged poll results is a good idea as it excludes outliers... ....ooh...ahhh... Use averages. But use them properly. Your 48% average is the result of considering polls since 2016, not recent years. No it is not. If you had gone back to school (as I suggested) and listened this time, then you would know what 'local regression' is and why you are wrong. |
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Post by Einhorn on Sept 8, 2023 11:52:18 GMT
Use averages. But use them properly. Your 48% average is the result of considering polls since 2016, not recent years. No it is not. If you had gone back to school (as I suggested) and listened this time, then you would know what 'local regression' is and why you are wrong. Okay, let's consider 'a lot' of the previous polls, a great big bunch of them. Shall we say 100? 100 seems excessive, but let's do it just to please you. How many of the last 100 polls has Stay Out won, and what is the average for Rejoin? |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 8, 2023 17:45:36 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Sept 8, 2023 20:52:40 GMT
Like I said, so did Germany and Italy. That's the great thing about the EU. Freedom of choice. I wouldn't go though far. I agree freedom of choice is a good thing. Like the freedom of choice to leave the EU. Or re-join |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 8, 2023 20:55:22 GMT
More recent by a couple of days, Doc. It seems extraordinary that support would fall from 62% to 48% in such a short time. The vast majority of polls have been putting support for rejoin in the mid fifties and upwards for a long time. Your results are outliers. And even if they weren't, they're still indicative of a trend towards rejoin. Really?. Then perhaps using averaged poll results is a good idea as it excludes outliers... ....ooh...ahhh... Perhaps more important is the collapse of the leave vote from 52 to 34% Only 34% want to stay out now. I expect its covid, it killed off a load of old men who were still fighting the Germans in their heads. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 8, 2023 21:13:01 GMT
Really?. Then perhaps using averaged poll results is a good idea as it excludes outliers... ....ooh...ahhh... Perhaps more important is the collapse of the leave vote from 52 to 34% Only 34% want to stay out now. I expect its covid, it killed off a load of old men who were still fighting the Germans in their heads. The collapse in the leave vote is irrelevant as we have left - why bother about something that you want that has already happened?. If you want to rejoin the EU you need to start putting in the hard work to convince people of the benefits - rattling on about WW2 is not going to do it. |
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Post by zanygame on Sept 8, 2023 21:18:54 GMT
Perhaps more important is the collapse of the leave vote from 52 to 34% Only 34% want to stay out now. I expect its covid, it killed off a load of old men who were still fighting the Germans in their heads. The collapse in the leave vote is irrelevant as we have left - why bother about something that you want that has already happened?. If you want to rejoin the EU you need to start putting in the hard work to convince people of the benefits - rattling on about WW2 is not going to do it. Oh what a convenient form of democracy where what people want only matters when it matches what you want. I don't need to do anything, the people already know what a crap decision leaving was. That's why those still supporting the idea has shrunk to just 34% |
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Keir Starmer is no fool, he knows that Brexit was one of the reasons why Labour lost the so called "Red Wall" seats, but Jeremy Corbyn was the main reason.
