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Post by sheepy on Aug 31, 2023 15:09:53 GMT
Yes I noticed the tonnes of litter and garbage left in the streets. The policing bill was £6 million, I wonder how much the clean up cost? The biggest clean-up in the borough is still shrouded — and the resulting financial cost of its disastrous fire is now estimated at over £1 billion and worth 4000 times the cost-cutting saving by using cheaper alternative cladding during its refurbishment. I guess that and the 72 lives lost can be ignored as it happened in June 2017... If that isn't a classic case of whataboutery, I don't know what is! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 31, 2023 15:17:16 GMT
Yes I noticed the tonnes of litter and garbage left in the streets. The policing bill was £6 million, I wonder how much the clean up cost? The biggest clean-up in the borough is still shrouded — and the resulting financial cost of its disastrous fire is now estimated at over £1 billion and worth 4000 times the cost-cutting saving by using cheaper alternative cladding during its refurbishment. I guess that and the 72 lives lost can be ignored as it happened in June 2017... ? I assume you're talking about Grenfell. Call me picky, but what has that got to do with the mess left by carnival goers? |
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Post by dappy on Aug 31, 2023 15:20:50 GMT
Over two million people chose to attend the festival - including many thousand tourists - all of whom spent significant cash. It is estimated that the event is worth over £100m to the economy. Tax receipts more than cover its costs. Attack it on many grounds if you wish, but financially you are just wrong.
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Post by Handyman on Aug 31, 2023 15:24:05 GMT
Wrong guess not ignored it should never have happened, unfortunately they do one yesterday in South Africa killed at least 73 people in an over crowded former office block
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Post by patman post on Aug 31, 2023 15:36:16 GMT
The biggest clean-up in the borough is still shrouded — and the resulting financial cost of its disastrous fire is now estimated at over £1 billion and worth 4000 times the cost-cutting saving by using cheaper alternative cladding during its refurbishment. I guess that and the 72 lives lost can be ignored as it happened in June 2017... ? I assume you're talking about Grenfell. Call me picky, but what has that got to do with the mess left by carnival goers? Picky is probably among the last things I'd be stirred to call you. But concentrating on litter as a lever to ban Carnival seems to provide a weak argument. After all, is the rubbish clear-up in W11 after this bank holiday any worse or more costly than any London event attracting a million or more people?
It's claimed that 650 tonnes of recycling and rubbish collected in London on an average weekend... |
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Post by patman post on Aug 31, 2023 15:39:37 GMT
Wrong guess not ignored it should never have happened, unfortunately they do one yesterday in South Africa killed at least 73 people in an over crowded former office block Careful — you'll be accused of whataboutery.
Besides, the UK is not currently responsible for what happens in South Africa...
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Post by Handyman on Aug 31, 2023 15:48:44 GMT
Wrong guess not ignored it should never have happened, unfortunately they do one yesterday in South Africa killed at least 73 people in an over crowded former office block Careful — you'll be accused of whataboutery.
Besides, the UK is not currently responsible for what happens in South Africa...
In this day and age its easy to be accused of something, that is why many stay silent |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 31, 2023 15:51:43 GMT
? I assume you're talking about Grenfell. Call me picky, but what has that got to do with the mess left by carnival goers? Picky is probably among the last things I'd be stirred to call you. But concentrating on litter as a lever to ban Carnival seems to provide a weak argument. After all, is the rubbish clear-up in W11 after this bank holiday any worse or more costly than any London event attracting a million or more people?
It's claimed that 650 tonnes of recycling and rubbish collected in London on an average weekend... What would you call me? lol. I didn't suggest the carnival should be banned because of litter alone, that's just one of a few reasons. The main reason I would vote to ban it is because of the violence. Indeed the police have said the level of violence has become unacceptable. If this was any other event or fixture then without a doubt the police would have it closed down or banned. The only reason the Notting Hill carnival wont be banned is because it's supposed to be celebration of Caribbean culture (lol) which makes it politically sensitive. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 31, 2023 17:08:17 GMT
Yes I noticed the tonnes of litter and garbage left in the streets. The policing bill was £6 million, I wonder how much the clean up cost? The biggest clean-up in the borough is still shrouded — and the resulting financial cost of its disastrous fire is now estimated at over £1 billion and worth 4000 times the cost-cutting saving by using cheaper alternative cladding during its refurbishment. I guess that and the 72 lives lost can be ignored as it happened in June 2017... If it happened in 2017 what has that to do with this weeks carnival? If its a competition then what about the Harrow and Wealdstone rail crash in 1952 that killed 112? |
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Post by Steve on Aug 31, 2023 17:32:56 GMT
Over two million people chose to attend the festival - including many thousand tourists - all of whom spent significant cash. It is estimated that the event is worth over £100m to the economy. Tax receipts more than cover its costs. Attack it on many grounds if you wish, but financially you are just wrong. Have you factored in the increased insurance costs, the loss of revenue for those businesses that have to board up, the police cost, the cost of prosecuting and jailing those who see it as an excuse for Knife-fest (other lethal weapons are available) and of course the injuries to those stabbed? I'm betting not. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 31, 2023 17:43:31 GMT
Any amount is worth the cultural enrichment...
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Post by Handyman on Aug 31, 2023 18:42:22 GMT
It will not be moved to another location
The policing minister has suggested that the Notting Hill Carnival should be moved to another location if it was recommended by the Metropolitan Police.in other words passing the buck I don't want to be accused of being a Racist.
Met Police Commissioner says not his call same reason.
Its actually Mayor Khans responsibility , anyone hazard a guess of what he would say ? bearing in mind he's up for election next year
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Post by Handyman on Sept 1, 2023 7:17:36 GMT
? I assume you're talking about Grenfell. Call me picky, but what has that got to do with the mess left by carnival goers? Picky is probably among the last things I'd be stirred to call you. But concentrating on litter as a lever to ban Carnival seems to provide a weak argument. After all, is the rubbish clear-up in W11 after this bank holiday any worse or more costly than any London event attracting a million or more people?
It's claimed that 650 tonnes of recycling and rubbish collected in London on an average weekend... Yes due to the size of the population and the size of the City itself lots of litter and waste is produced by some Morons which most people put in a litter bin or separate it and put it in their wheelie bins for collection, totally different to the Carnival goers that leave an estimated 300 tonnes in a small area all over the place, hence the large clearing crews that work all night probably on overtime. Then the damage caused to buildings , residents have to wash their basement area to get rid of the urine and faces these happy camper leave them so kind of them, they don't give a flying fuck for the residents or how it effects many of them every year. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 1, 2023 7:48:12 GMT
Over two million people chose to attend the festival - including many thousand tourists - all of whom spent significant cash. It is estimated that the event is worth over £100m to the economy. Tax receipts more than cover its costs. Attack it on many grounds if you wish, but financially you are just wrong. What 'exactly' am I wrong about? And please, try to be precise. |
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Post by patman post on Sept 1, 2023 10:06:22 GMT
The biggest clean-up in the borough is still shrouded — and the resulting financial cost of its disastrous fire is now estimated at over £1 billion and worth 4000 times the cost-cutting saving by using cheaper alternative cladding during its refurbishment. I guess that and the 72 lives lost can be ignored as it happened in June 2017... If it happened in 2017 what has that to do with this weeks carnival? If its a competition then what about the Harrow and Wealdstone rail crash in 1952 that killed 112? Unlike the litter from this year's Carnival, the shrouded remains of Grenfell Tower remain and are in the same London borough and are still there.
Harrow and Wealdstone is miles away from Notting Hill and, I suggest, the only train crash relevant to this thread is the attempt to relate the deaths of 112 people 70 years ago to an annual event that began over a decade later...
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