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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 26, 2023 3:52:13 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66623636Back in the 90’s i stayed while working for a client in the area at a farmhouse B&B north of Milton Keynes. The farmer whose land it was came from a now long extinct breed of men brought up to farm the land to produce food while keeping an eye on making sure the farm still existed for his grandsons as his grandfather had for him. His opinions of our setaside scheme - where one was paid not to farm the land productively not for ecology as they bullshitted but for politics - his words but i rather agreed - were pretty unspeakable but his views on the Common Agricultural Policy were pretty much that he would like to do to its supporters something that ensured a long drawn out and unpleasant end. So it is perhaps understandable my first thoughts on reading of France’s policy to destroy wine rather than allow it be drunk were of him.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 26, 2023 6:39:57 GMT
The excess alcohol will be used for other things.
From France24
"The alcohol from destroyed wine can be sold to companies for use in non-food products such as hand sanitiser, cleaning products, or perfume."
The vines in large producing areas take years to produce decent wine. You dont just root them out.
Finally there is a delay in deciding CAP production targets of at least a year. Did you see covid coming a year before it did?
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 26, 2023 6:50:28 GMT
The ultimate waste. Charging French taxpayers a billion euros to subsidise the creation of wine, and then charging them 200 million euros to destroy the inevitable excess.....
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 26, 2023 7:06:47 GMT
Kind of reminds one of HS2.
The explanation is above.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 26, 2023 8:02:29 GMT
Kind of reminds one of HS2. The explanation is above. Indeed HS2 is yet another EU project that's a complete waste of money. From 2015. Quote: High Speed Rail 2 (HS2) is a proposed rail link between London, Manchester and Leeds with further, later, extensions to Glasgow and Edinburgh. If mentioned at all by the last or present Government, it is put forward as an entirely British idea, but it is not. And if there are complaints about the proposed rail line, no matter how many times the Government says it will ‘re-consider’ – nothing will be done. Because nothing can be done. The whole project is down to the Government in Brussels link I'm sure you will agree, it's an interesting read.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 26, 2023 9:01:18 GMT
This thread is about destroying French wine. HS2 was mentioned as a comparison, not a subject in its own right.
Can we please stay on topic.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 26, 2023 9:31:26 GMT
This thread is about destroying French wine. HS2 was mentioned as a comparison, not a subject in its own right. Can we please stay on topic. LOL superb. You mentioned HS2, now you know the facts you're not so keen to talk about it. To be expected.
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 26, 2023 10:11:28 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66623636Back in the 90’s i stayed while working for a client in the area at a farmhouse B&B north of Milton Keynes. The farmer whose land it was came from a now long extinct breed of men brought up to farm the land to produce food while keeping an eye on making sure the farm still existed for his grandsons as his grandfather had for him. His opinions of our setaside scheme - where one was paid not to farm the land productively not for ecology as they bullshitted but for politics - his words but i rather agreed - were pretty unspeakable but his views on the Common Agricultural Policy were pretty much that he would like to do to its supporters something that ensured a long drawn out and unpleasant end. So it is perhaps understandable my first thoughts on reading of France’s policy to destroy wine rather than allow it be drunk were of him. I blame Brexit. Snigger.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 27, 2023 13:05:24 GMT
Kind of reminds one of HS2. The explanation is above. Indeed HS2 is yet another EU project that's a complete waste of money. From 2015. Quote: High Speed Rail 2 (HS2) is a proposed rail link between London, Manchester and Leeds with further, later, extensions to Glasgow and Edinburgh. If mentioned at all by the last or present Government, it is put forward as an entirely British idea, but it is not. And if there are complaints about the proposed rail line, no matter how many times the Government says it will ‘re-consider’ – nothing will be done. Because nothing can be done. The whole project is down to the Government in Brussels link I'm sure you will agree, it's an interesting read. Back in 2015 when we were in the EU, our railway policies and projects had to be compliant with the Third Railways Package of 2007, which included three regulations and two directives from the Commission. transport.ec.europa.eu/transport-modes/rail/railway-packages/third-railway-package-2007_enThe policy was superceded by the Fourth Railways Package of 2016. Anyway, back to the EU's CAP, the food mountains and wine lakes. Wikipedia's article about wine lakes is quite interesting: There's also articles on butter mountains: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_mountainAnd en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_destructionThe EU does this in order to keep prices higher than they otherwise would be.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 27, 2023 17:58:31 GMT
The producers are only scraping the bottom of the barrel, that which they ship to the UK and which no real French person would consider quality. With all your new trade deals i am sure you will find other sources of prettily decorated labels.
Though i have to declare a preference for Chilean wines after European varieties.
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 28, 2023 6:44:00 GMT
I haven't bought French wine for years - or anything from the EU if there's an alternative. Australian wine is better and cheaper anyway.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 28, 2023 7:07:45 GMT
I tend to South American wine although I have had some very good South African ones recently. I used to quite like Australian and american but they seem to have gone off the boil lately.. a tad overpriced for what they deliver. Still living on their name.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 28, 2023 7:15:08 GMT
After a few years of Chinese buying up French vinyards, they began to get out of the business recently. Many of the domaines are now big corporations. The best wines are sold to niche buyers and there is a lot of experimenting to create new flavours by grafting vines. But they take 5 to 7 years to produce a usable grape.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 28, 2023 8:23:34 GMT
This thread is about destroying French wine. HS2 was mentioned as a comparison, not a subject in its own right. Can we please stay on topic. But when other people make comparisons on your threads you blow a fuse and go off on one and accuse people of not applying the rules or ignoring them. you can’t have it both ways.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 28, 2023 8:24:29 GMT
This thread is about destroying French wine. HS2 was mentioned as a comparison, not a subject in its own right. Can we please stay on topic. But when other people make comparisons on your threads you blow a fuse and go off on one and accuse people of not applying the rules or ignoring them. you can’t have it both ways. Off topic.
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