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Post by Orac on Aug 19, 2023 10:19:31 GMT
In 2014 a law was introduced making it a criminal offence (punishable by up to 5 years in prison) for anyone providing medical care to willfully interfere with a patient's treatment. Doctors have been complaining to the media about how difficult it is nowadays to get rid of "Rogue nurses" ... the Admins appear to be protecting them (my opinion ... they don't want bad publicity). In some scenarios there are not just one or two "Rogue nurses" there are "gangs" of them. In the 90s the Patients Association said that when nurses get "callous and cruel" they put them on the wards with the elderly. In 2013 a "Senior county clinician" was quoted in my local newspaper as saying that he was very concerned about what was going on in the main Gloucester and Cheltenham hospitals. He said: "Cruelty was becoming normal". My local Age UK advocate recently told me that its still going on .. and gave me a really wild example. In 2021 27 nurses at my hospital contacted the media and said that when they report things that are putting patients at risk they get bullied by the Admin to the point where its affecting their mental health. Last year the CQC threatened criminal charges if the Surgical Department didn't get its act together. In my view this is part of systems problem - ie inadequate filtering. You might ask, how do you filter candidates for attitude, without also creating another lever that can itself be used for evil? You use the Mister Miyogi, Karate Kid approach - Training / induction is designed to be grueling, so only those who want to help people will stick with it. Ie you can't pass by simply by passing exams. The management are drawn from the people who go through this process. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 19, 2023 10:23:00 GMT
I'm just glad to see the Daily Mail highlight the crimes of an evil white woman. We don't want any of her sort here. In fact I think we should electrocute them. Indeed. The leftie answer is to ship in third world foreigners who work cheap . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 19, 2023 11:04:11 GMT
So where is the Outrage? Where are the Marches to Protest outside Hospitals? The cry to Defund the NHS. Where are the left wing tropes saying this case means all Women are Killers and all Women are Toxic. Nurses need to be re programmed.
The Managers who must have turned a Bind eye, to this Toxic Behaviour. Where are the Labour MPs queuing up to demand a Public Enquiry?
Where is that Entitled Red Headed Martyr, making sure she will be led away, whilst the press are there?
No thought not.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 19, 2023 12:45:51 GMT
There will be one hell of an inquiry into why she was not stopped earlier , will it do any good? perhaps Seven Doctors raised their concerns and suspicions, but NHS mangers overruled them , 17 families have had to sit through the 10 month long trial Another inquiry, so they learned nothing from the Beverley Allitt inquiry, there was supposed to be measures put in place back then to make alarm bells ring when there was a pattern emerging.
I've looked at what Allitt looks like today, and she's got the same vacant empty void look that Letby has.
Thing is alarm bells did ring but were ignored, or worse still, actively silenced. The thing that I find most shocking is that non-clinical senior management were able to simply dismiss and override the concerns of qualified medical staff. That should never happen. Indeed, if the actions of said senior management are indeed as reported they could well fall within the bounds of criminal negligence and corporate manslaughter. I certainly think that that aspect needs to be investigated. |
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Post by Handyman on Aug 19, 2023 13:35:46 GMT
Another inquiry, so they learned nothing from the Beverley Allitt inquiry, there was supposed to be measures put in place back then to make alarm bells ring when there was a pattern emerging.
I've looked at what Allitt looks like today, and she's got the same vacant empty void look that Letby has.
Thing is alarm bells did ring but were ignored, or worse still, actively silenced. The thing that I find most shocking is that non-clinical senior management were able to simply dismiss and override the concerns of qualified medical staff. That should never happen. Indeed, if the actions of said senior management are indeed as reported they could well fall within the bounds of criminal negligence and corporate manslaughter. I certainly think that that aspect needs to be investigated. I agree 100% IMO the Investigation will take years to implement and will anyone be held responsible ? who knows how many times have been Whistle Blowers ignored, or in this day and age too frightened to say anything for fear of being sacked or fear of being accused of racisms, homophobia, what ever new censorship label they invent |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 19, 2023 13:49:47 GMT
Another inquiry, so they learned nothing from the Beverley Allitt inquiry, there was supposed to be measures put in place back then to make alarm bells ring when there was a pattern emerging.
I've looked at what Allitt looks like today, and she's got the same vacant empty void look that Letby has.
Thing is alarm bells did ring but were ignored, or worse still, actively silenced. The thing that I find most shocking is that non-clinical senior management were able to simply dismiss and override the concerns of qualified medical staff. That should never happen. Indeed, if the actions of said senior management are indeed as reported they could well fall within the bounds of criminal negligence and corporate manslaughter. I certainly think that that aspect needs to be investigated. Absolutely, they just close ranks, there's that many of them up to no good and on fiddles the last thing they want is police sniffing around. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 19, 2023 17:41:29 GMT
The NHS really needs investigating from outside - the internal culture is dangerous.
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Post by Orac on Aug 19, 2023 17:54:43 GMT
On youtube commentator has suggested that the doctor should have made up an allegation of racism to get the attention of the authorities.
After a large racism investigation started rolling, he could have gradually introduced the notion that she was also a murderer
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 19, 2023 18:35:24 GMT
On youtube commentator has suggested that the doctor should have made up an allegation of racism to get the attention of the authorities. After a large racism investigation started rolling, he could have gradually introduced the notion that she was also a murderer Or perhaps he should have gone straight to the police with his concerns. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 19, 2023 19:01:32 GMT
On youtube commentator has suggested that the doctor should have made up an allegation of racism to get the attention of the authorities. After a large racism investigation started rolling, he could have gradually introduced the notion that she was also a murderer Or perhaps he should have gone straight to the police with his concerns. Well it seems that would be the best option. If this is true it was no good reporting it to the high and mighty NHS excuse for a management..
NHS whistleblowers are 'treated like the problem', leading medics say after doctors who raised concerns over Lucy Letby were forced to apologise to her
Lucy Letby, 33, was convicted of killing seven babies and trying to kill six more
And it seems that there are more questions to be asked at another hospital she worked in...
Did Lucy Letby strike at another hospital? Two babies died during her training placement at second NHS unit as police say she could be charged with more crimes
They will examine Lucy Letby's entire career including her time in Liverpool
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 19, 2023 21:31:39 GMT
On youtube commentator has suggested that the doctor should have made up an allegation of racism to get the attention of the authorities. After a large racism investigation started rolling, he could have gradually introduced the notion that she was also a murderer Or perhaps he should have gone straight to the police with his concerns. he should have said she said something hateful about trans people on twitter - then the Police would have come running to him. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 19, 2023 21:33:41 GMT
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 19, 2023 21:35:36 GMT
So where is the Outrage? Where are the Marches to Protest outside Hospitals? The cry to Defund the NHS. Where are the left wing tropes saying this case means all Women are Killers and all Women are Toxic. Nurses need to be re programmed. The Managers who must have turned a Bind eye, to this Toxic Behaviour. Where are the Labour MPs queuing up to demand a Public Enquiry? Where is that Entitled Red Headed Martyr, making sure she will be led away, whilst the press are there? No thought not. Fair point. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 20, 2023 4:40:17 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 20, 2023 6:53:31 GMT
So a serial killer nurse evoked an apology from her detractors and received promises of training and development.
The Unions didn't cover themselves in glory - the RCN gave Letby their full support and the BMA advised the consultants to acquiesce with the apology.
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