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Post by oracle75 on Aug 13, 2023 7:03:45 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 13, 2023 7:10:00 GMT
It hasnt been "superceded". That means something has replaced it. In truth it was eliminated when the UK left the EU. It doesnt exist anymore. Dublin III does not exist for the UK. It still exists in the EU and is under review. The outcome will not include the UK anymore than it will include Libya or Afghanistan. It will be a coordinated and agreed by MEMBERS. Not the UK. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 13, 2023 7:20:40 GMT
So we agree, EU states are not sovereign independent countries, they are borderless EU states governed by an unelected cabal of bureaucrats from behind closed doors in Brussels. Having said that, I assume you are aware of the primacy of EU law? For your benefit - Quote: The principle of the primacy (also referred to as 'precedence' or 'supremacy') of European Union (EU) law. Where a conflict arises between an aspect of EU law and an aspect of law in an EU Member State (national law), EU law will prevail. link
Sovereign and independent countries cannot have their laws overruled, however EU states can and do have their laws overruled because EU law is superior to national laws and EU states cede sovereignty to the EU. Here to help.  Numpty lol. Aww bless. So not sovereign then. Silly Kim, what a numpty.🤣 What is it about a democratic and voluntary agreement to harmonise rules for the benefit of all do you not understand? If the EU was not sovereign it could not leave. Or opt out of EU decisions. Or amend them in Westminster. Or delay applying them. This discussion is 7 years old and if a few halfwits still want to discuss it, i suggest they find a smzll corner in their care home and stop wasting everyone's time. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 13, 2023 7:58:50 GMT
Iggy isnt ignoring me really. He is lying. He has before now directly answered some of my posts. He is also utterly deluded to think that being ignored by him makes any tiny difference. In fact it prevents more of his drivel. And yet here you are responding to him. What a numpty!🤣 I made it clear he is not being ignored by me. I reply to intellectually challenged misinformation. That is why i reply to you. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 13, 2023 8:21:17 GMT
Meanwhile there are actual slaves in the EU, some of them are from Eastern Europe. Freedom of movement is a slavers dream. A smugglers charter. However well intentioned it may originally have been, it provides for a limitless flow of the cheapest labour. Whatever the EU say they are doing about modern slavery, the fact is in practice they are compressing wages and causing poverty. They have systems which allow gangs to cross borders and trade in slaves. They allow agencies to advertise jobs in one country for work in another. There are serious flaws in policy and the execution of policy. They do not legislate strongly enough to prevent modern slavery and by design, the system is quite accommodating towards it. First i strongly advise you to stop using uber emotional terms. They are some of the same the Nazi party used against some of their own citizens. Secondly if migrants were bottoming the wages in the UK, why is the UK begging those from places like the Philippines and Maylasia to fill the places everyone said cheap students would fill but didnt, and the nursing and doctor places left vacant due to the Brexit governments refusal to put their wages up even though there are a million vacancies...totally contrafactual post Brexit. And wages across the UK are comparatively low compared to comparative western countries. What Iggy describes is a political dream that hasnt happened.Fishbait. Just like controlling your own borders and controlling your own money. That last one DOES happen for rich people with friends in high places, i admit. What Iggy hasnt mentioned is that across the EU, qualifications are equalised so that an electrician trained in Italy has achieved the same knowledge as one trained in Lithuania. Why should one's place of birth or domicile cage them inside the national border when better opportunities may be across the border. If you increase competition for a job, you increase expertise. And you increase wages to attract the best candidates. Best do some reading on how capitalism works, Iggy dear. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 13, 2023 8:53:10 GMT
It hasnt been "superceded". That means something has replaced it. In truth it was eliminated when the UK left the EU. It doesnt exist anymore. Dublin III does not exist for the UK. It still exists in the EU and is under review. The outcome will not include the UK anymore than it will include Libya or Afghanistan. It will be a coordinated and agreed by MEMBERS. Not the UK. But that’s not what you originally said is it? So now educated you move your goalposts,it really is laughable because you then pull others up and ask why are you talking about this when it all ended seven years ago,yes it did so get a life and move on yourself instead of resurrecting it at every opportunity. However if you do want to talk about feel free but wouldn’t it be better if you didn’t say things like this By your own words you condemn yourself and your inability to understand that begs the question whose intellectual ability is questioned. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 13, 2023 8:57:07 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Aug 13, 2023 8:59:36 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 13, 2023 14:56:51 GMT
Dublin III does not exist for the UK. It still exists in the EU and is under review. The outcome will not include the UK anymore than it will include Libya or Afghanistan. It will be a coordinated and agreed by MEMBERS. Not the UK. But that’s not what you originally said is it? So now educated you move your goalposts,it really is laughable because you then pull others up and ask why are you talking about this when it all ended seven years ago,yes it did so get a life and move on yourself instead of resurrecting it at every opportunity. However if you do want to talk about feel free but wouldn’t it be better if you didn’t say things like this By your own words you condemn yourself and your inability to understand that begs the question whose intellectual ability is questioned. Dublin 3 still exists in the EU. The " new legislation" has not yet been passed.. Dublin has not been replaced or superceded.. And the UK is out of both. Please note "This WILL FORM THE BASIS FOR" indicating the future. migration laws The Council today took a decisive step towards a modernisation of the EU’s rulebook for asylum and migration. It agreed on a negotiating position on the asylum procedure regulation and on the asylum and migration management regulation. This position will form the basis of negotiations by the Council presidency with the European Parliament. www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/06/08/migration-policy-council-reaches-agreement-on-key-asylum-and-migration-laws/Do you know the difference between the council reaching an agreement and the EU passing legislation??? Now come back when you know what a goalpost looks like. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 13, 2023 15:06:25 GMT
There are millions of people in slavery all over the world. If you want to search desperately for some reason not already shot down that makes the EU the cradle of the devil, Iggy, this isnt it. Alternatively you could start to concern yourself wi5h your own back yard. Modern slavery exists in many forms in the UK, including trafficking into criminal activities like cannabis farming, sexual exploitation, domestic slavery or forced labour on farms, in construction, shops, bars, nail bars, car washes or manufacturing. www.antislavery.org › slaver... Modern slavery in the UK - Anti-Slavery International &&&&&&&& People also ask How many people are modern slaves in the UK? 13,000 people Understanding modern slavery – and how to spot the signs. Modern slavery is an international crime that affects an estimated 29.8 million slaves around the world, with an estimated 13,000 people held in slavery in the UK today. crimestoppers-uk.org › mode... Modern slavery | Crimestoppers Dont concern yourself with the EU Iggy You dont belong anymore. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 13, 2023 15:20:03 GMT
But that’s not what you originally said is it? So now educated you move your goalposts,it really is laughable because you then pull others up and ask why are you talking about this when it all ended seven years ago,yes it did so get a life and move on yourself instead of resurrecting it at every opportunity. However if you do want to talk about feel free but wouldn’t it be better if you didn’t say things like this By your own words you condemn yourself and your inability to understand that begs the question whose intellectual ability is questioned. Dublin 3 still exists in the EU. The " new legislation" has not yet been passed.. Dublin has not been replaced or superceded.. And the UK is out of both. Please note "This WILL FORM THE BASIS FOR" indicating the future. migration laws The Council today took a decisive step towards a modernisation of the EU’s rulebook for asylum and migration. It agreed on a negotiating position on the asylum procedure regulation and on the asylum and migration management regulation. This position will form the basis of negotiations by the Council presidency with the European Parliament. www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2023/06/08/migration-policy-council-reaches-agreement-on-key-asylum-and-migration-laws/Do you know the difference between the council reaching an agreement and the EU passing legislation??? Now come back when you know what a goalpost looks like. You’re hopeless,I said when they agree whilst you said no longer existed whether we were members or not. And it’s no good telling Vinny we’re no longer members anymore he knows that and is happy as so many are whilst you can’t help yourself constantly whining what a bad decision we made. We've gone get over it and either accept or give up you’re one third citizenship and revel in your membership that won’t be that comfy anymore when the tide turns and you get swamped what will you do then? |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 13, 2023 16:28:16 GMT
Utter gibberish.
You stop Iggy making up stories and then crowing about how shite the EU is like some demented cuckoo clock and i'll stop proving he is exactly that.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 14, 2023 7:23:56 GMT
Meanwhile, actual slavery is happening in the EU and the very nature of free movement, Schengen etc is making it worse, and worse and worse.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 15, 2023 7:19:58 GMT
Meanwhile, actual slavery is happening in the EU and the very nature of free movement, Schengen etc is making it worse, and worse and worse. Oh shut up Vinny. Saudi is full of slavery, women from the far east. Trafficked people today do not by andxlzrge travel in the back of lorries which, BTW are checked at the borders of Shengen. Most are arriving in boats, if you hadnt noticed. Now if it is so easy to stop trafficked people crossing borders why are the numbers of trafficked people grow9ng steadily on the beaches and borders of the UK, not or never was part of Schengen. Schengen has made it far EASIER to move migrants across national borders in order to disperse and accommodate them. You voted to protect your own borders. You voted to reject the possibility to return migrants to member EU countries. Well mate, how it that going? Suck it up. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 15, 2023 7:53:43 GMT
Thank goodness for the ignore button.
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