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Post by bancroft on Aug 11, 2023 13:59:23 GMT
In the British ones, ask yourself who is printing the placards, that costs money.
Suspect Unions with Labour support.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 11, 2023 15:34:11 GMT
I said every country has border restrictions. Therefore they ARE sovereign. Get it together, numpty. The FOM in the EU is the same principle as travelling across state lines in the USA. Do you suggest each state, which in the constitition has considerable soveteignty, close all 50 borders and that will stop illegal activity? Not on this planet So we agree, EU states are not sovereign independent countries, they are borderless EU states governed by an unelected cabal of bureaucrats from behind closed doors in Brussels. Having said that, I assume you are aware of the primacy of EU law? For your benefit - Quote: The principle of the primacy (also referred to as 'precedence' or 'supremacy') of European Union (EU) law. Where a conflict arises between an aspect of EU law and an aspect of law in an EU Member State (national law), EU law will prevail. link
Sovereign and independent countries cannot have their laws overruled, however EU states can and do have their laws overruled because EU law is superior to national laws and EU states cede sovereignty to the EU. Here to help. Numpty lol. Aww bless. Offs. Are you paying atyention? ONLY IN THE CASE OF LAWS DEBATED AND PASSED THREE TIMES BY DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED MEMBER REPRESENTATIVES IN THE EU. such laws can be optional or enabled as best fits your country. Laws passed by the three aforementioned may also be amend3d or opted out of by negotiation. Or in the case of the 1999 EU directive on clean public water access, ignored altogether by a certain member state. Including the UK's approval until 2 years ago. And what the hell does this have to do with this thread? Bloody numpties. I hope i have made the truth very clear and easy for you to understand. YOU WANTED TO BE INDEPENDENT. MAKE YOUR OWN RULES. PROTECT YOUR OWN BORDERS. Well bloody well get on with it. In fact since you left, your Brexit government has achieved precisely nothing except impoverish the public sector and the public purse. Is that what it wanted the freedom to do? Of course there is slavery in the EU. There is slavery everywhere. Since you are now in full control of your country, solve it. The slavery in the EU should now not be any issue for you. Your borders are under your control, as are your police and security forces. You are in full control of your Border Force and your navy and your fishing fleets and your own waters. SO USE THEM. YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED. STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE FOR YOUR UTTER INEPTITUDE. YOU THREW AWAY YOUR TRAINING WHEELS. NOW LEARN TO RIDE THE BLOODY BIKE BY YOURSELF. Jeez you cant even house 15 people on a superbarge without having to throw them off 36 hours into first use on basic health grounds. Utter incompetency and stupidity. It is what you get from a bunch of idiots who told you lies about the EU. I'll bet there are some overworked junior civil servants right now scribbling with their worn pencils some mealy mouthed lies ready for tomorrow's news round. How about some fun and bet who will be the numpty who gets picked to deliver them? I feel quote sorry for Sunak. He cant set foot on holiday and leave the babysitters with the babies without all hell breaking loose.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 11, 2023 16:39:13 GMT
So we agree, EU states are not sovereign independent countries, they are borderless EU states governed by an unelected cabal of bureaucrats from behind closed doors in Brussels. Having said that, I assume you are aware of the primacy of EU law? For your benefit - Quote: The principle of the primacy (also referred to as 'precedence' or 'supremacy') of European Union (EU) law. Where a conflict arises between an aspect of EU law and an aspect of law in an EU Member State (national law), EU law will prevail. link
Sovereign and independent countries cannot have their laws overruled, however EU states can and do have their laws overruled because EU law is superior to national laws and EU states cede sovereignty to the EU. Here to help. Numpty lol. Aww bless. Offs. Are you paying atyention? ONLY IN THE CASE OF LAWS DEBATED AND PASSED THREE TIMES BY DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED MEMBER REPRESENTATIVES IN THE EU. such laws can be optional or enabled as best fits your country. Laws passed by the three aforementioned may also be amend3d or opted out of by negotiation. Or in the case of the 1999 EU directive on clean public water access, ignored altogether by a certain member state. Including the UK's approval until 2 years ago. And what the hell does this have to do with this thread? Bloody numpties. I hope i have made the truth very clear and easy for you to understand. YOU WANTED TO BE INDEPENDENT. MAKE YOUR OWN RULES. PROTECT YOUR OWN BORDERS. Well bloody well get on with it. In fact since you left, your Brexit government has achieved precisely nothing except impoverish the public sector and the public purse. Is that what it wanted the freedom to do? Of course there is slavery in the EU. There is slavery everywhere. Since you are now in full control of your country, solve it. The slavery in the EU should now not be any issue for you. Your borders are under your control, as are your police and security forces. You are in full control of your Border Force and your navy and your fishing fleets and your own waters. SO USE THEM. YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED. STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE FOR YOUR UTTER INEPTITUDE. YOU THREW AWAY YOUR TRAINING WHEELS. NOW LEARN TO RIDE THE BLOODY BIKE BY YOURSELF. Jeez you cant even house 15 people on a superbarge without having to throw them off 36 hours into first use on basic health grounds. Utter incompetency and stupidity. It is what you get from a bunch of idiots who told you lies about the EU. I'll bet there are some overworked junior civil servants right now scribbling with their worn pencils some mealy mouthed lies ready for tomorrow's news round. How about some fun and bet who will be the numpty who gets picked to deliver them? I feel quote sorry for Sunak. He cant set foot on holiday and leave the babysitters with the babies without all hell breaking loose. EU law is not optional for member states who are governed from Brussels (lol) the very thought, the EU call it " The Primacy of EU Law" for a reason. link
And I agree, when it comes to cross channel illegals fleeing the EU, the British government have shown themselves to be incompetent. They could stop anyone entering British territorial waters and if they did international law would be on their side. But for some reason Sunak seems more interested in appeasing Macron and the EU, than the British electorate. However, with an election around the corner things may change, hopefully.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2023 17:15:35 GMT
In the British ones, ask yourself who is printing the placards, that costs money. Suspect Unions with Labour support. And the socialist (so called) worker party.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 11, 2023 18:13:35 GMT
RR i am not now, 7 years aafter the Great Deception, attempt change history or explain to you about EU legislation. If you prefer not to live your life according to lying inept greedy political imbeciles, spend ten minutes reading this. commission.europa.eu/law/law-making-process/types-eu-law_enThere is FAR more national law in active UK statute that is completely outside the aegis of the EU. 7 years on and you still dont know what you voted for, or against. Sad. Really sad.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2023 19:20:07 GMT
Absolutely 100% clear on what Leavers voted for
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 11, 2023 19:53:50 GMT
Letd be clear. You didnt know what the EU was. Still dont.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 11, 2023 20:15:07 GMT
So we agree, EU states are not sovereign independent countries, they are borderless EU states governed by an unelected cabal of bureaucrats from behind closed doors in Brussels. Having said that, I assume you are aware of the primacy of EU law? For your benefit - Quote: The principle of the primacy (also referred to as 'precedence' or 'supremacy') of European Union (EU) law. Where a conflict arises between an aspect of EU law and an aspect of law in an EU Member State (national law), EU law will prevail. link
Sovereign and independent countries cannot have their laws overruled, however EU states can and do have their laws overruled because EU law is superior to national laws and EU states cede sovereignty to the EU. Here to help. Numpty lol. Aww bless. Offs. Are you paying atyention? ONLY IN THE CASE OF LAWS DEBATED AND PASSED THREE TIMES BY DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED MEMBER REPRESENTATIVES IN THE EU. such laws can be optional or enabled as best fits your country. Laws passed by the three aforementioned may also be amend3d or opted out of by negotiation. Or in the case of the 1999 EU directive on clean public water access, ignored altogether by a certain member state. Including the UK's approval until 2 years ago. And what the hell does this have to do with this thread? Bloody numpties. I hope i have made the truth very clear and easy for you to understand. YOU WANTED TO BE INDEPENDENT. MAKE YOUR OWN RULES. PROTECT YOUR OWN BORDERS. Well bloody well get on with it. In fact since you left, your Brexit government has achieved precisely nothing except impoverish the public sector and the public purse. Is that what it wanted the freedom to do? Of course there is slavery in the EU. There is slavery everywhere. Since you are now in full control of your country, solve it. The slavery in the EU should now not be any issue for you. Your borders are under your control, as are your police and security forces. You are in full control of your Border Force and your navy and your fishing fleets and your own waters. SO USE THEM. YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED. STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE FOR YOUR UTTER INEPTITUDE. YOU THREW AWAY YOUR TRAINING WHEELS. NOW LEARN TO RIDE THE BLOODY BIKE BY YOURSELF. Jeez you cant even house 15 people on a superbarge without having to throw them off 36 hours into first use on basic health grounds. Utter incompetency and stupidity. It is what you get from a bunch of idiots who told you lies about the EU. I'll bet there are some overworked junior civil servants right now scribbling with their worn pencils some mealy mouthed lies ready for tomorrow's news round. How about some fun and bet who will be the numpty who gets picked to deliver them? I feel quote sorry for Sunak. He cant set foot on holiday and leave the babysitters with the babies without all hell breaking loose. You’re shouting again,shouting doesn’t make you right and you’ll likely have a thromby with your anger issues. As far as this totally laughable have you seen the state of the place they exist in with your beloved eu? basic health grounds yep that’s them in the eu very basic to the extreme and you have the bloody cheek to criticise this country where we at least try and offer a roof over their heads,free food heat and light plus healthcare money and free mobile. Any of that in France? that’ll be a no won’t it when they are forced to live in a s**thole turned over by the police on a regular basis and you have the sheer effrontery to come on here and criticise this country. Yeah we had a vote knew what we were voting for and if I had my way we’d have another vote and strip people like you of your citizenship.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 11, 2023 23:02:26 GMT
Sorry. Cant hear you.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 12, 2023 7:04:04 GMT
The ability to hear is superfluous, this is not a radio station.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 12, 2023 7:23:04 GMT
Offs. Are you paying atyention? ONLY IN THE CASE OF LAWS DEBATED AND PASSED THREE TIMES BY DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED MEMBER REPRESENTATIVES IN THE EU. such laws can be optional or enabled as best fits your country. Laws passed by the three aforementioned may also be amend3d or opted out of by negotiation. Or in the case of the 1999 EU directive on clean public water access, ignored altogether by a certain member state. Including the UK's approval until 2 years ago. And what the hell does this have to do with this thread? Bloody numpties. I hope i have made the truth very clear and easy for you to understand. YOU WANTED TO BE INDEPENDENT. MAKE YOUR OWN RULES. PROTECT YOUR OWN BORDERS. Well bloody well get on with it. In fact since you left, your Brexit government has achieved precisely nothing except impoverish the public sector and the public purse. Is that what it wanted the freedom to do? Of course there is slavery in the EU. There is slavery everywhere. Since you are now in full control of your country, solve it. The slavery in the EU should now not be any issue for you. Your borders are under your control, as are your police and security forces. You are in full control of your Border Force and your navy and your fishing fleets and your own waters. SO USE THEM. YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANTED. STOP BLAMING EVERYONE ELSE FOR YOUR UTTER INEPTITUDE. YOU THREW AWAY YOUR TRAINING WHEELS. NOW LEARN TO RIDE THE BLOODY BIKE BY YOURSELF. Jeez you cant even house 15 people on a superbarge without having to throw them off 36 hours into first use on basic health grounds. Utter incompetency and stupidity. It is what you get from a bunch of idiots who told you lies about the EU. I'll bet there are some overworked junior civil servants right now scribbling with their worn pencils some mealy mouthed lies ready for tomorrow's news round. How about some fun and bet who will be the numpty who gets picked to deliver them? I feel quote sorry for Sunak. He cant set foot on holiday and leave the babysitters with the babies without all hell breaking loose. You’re shouting again,shouting doesn’t make you right and you’ll likely have a thromby with your anger issues. As far as this totally laughable have you seen the state of the place they exist in with your beloved eu? basic health grounds yep that’s them in the eu very basic to the extreme and you have the bloody cheek to criticise this country where we at least try and offer a roof over their heads,free food heat and light plus healthcare money and free mobile. Any of that in France? that’ll be a no won’t it when they are forced to live in a s**thole turned over by the police on a regular basis and you have the sheer effrontery to come on here and criticise this country. Yeah we had a vote knew what we were voting for and if I had my way we’d have another vote and strip people like you of your citizenship. The barge was bought from a member state of the EU and came with Legionaires disease, which we discovered, identified and are making safe.
Meanwhile, all across the EU the Schengen Zone and freedom of movement have made the EU a slavers paradise.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 12, 2023 7:34:03 GMT
Iggy if it was bought with a hole in it you would fix it. Well maybe you wouldnt...you want to sink all boats.
You won the right to vontrol you borders.
Now bloody well do it and stop blaming someone else for your utter inability to do it.
This is the UK brought to you by Brexit. An ubershambles.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 12, 2023 7:36:53 GMT
Thanks for giving my thread a boost Kim, but you're not coming off ignore.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 12, 2023 7:48:08 GMT
Iggy if it was bought with a hole in it you would fix it. Well maybe you wouldnt...you want to sink all boats. You won the right to vontrol you borders. Now bloody well do it and stop blaming someone else for your utter inability to do it. This is the UK brought to you by Brexit. An ubershambles. Any chance you could address the issue regards the difference between accommodation offered here and that in France? Thatll be a no will it? All you are able to offer in reply is shouty slogans about brexit.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 12, 2023 8:31:40 GMT
Here's another article on slavery in the EU (which is the topic of this thread, it is not a thread for remoaners to sulk about Brexit): www.thenewfederalist.eu/the-reality-of-modern-slavery-in-europe?lang=frFree movement, a lack of internal borders and a lack of competent governance across the EU hinders the fight against slavery across the EU. Despite huge numbers of victims, only 2,426 convictions.
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