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Post by Vinny on Aug 9, 2023 13:07:44 GMT
www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2023-001305_EN.htmlYour thoughts on this matter? My thoughts: Some of this problem does reach the UK via the EU and we need to work with it and member states in order to fight the slave gangs. Also, lefties who say "refugees welcome" and "no borders" they are a big part of the problem. International slave trading cannot be shut down without effective border controls.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 9, 2023 13:17:23 GMT
I agree.
Freedom of movement opened up the continent to slave traders and brought untold misery to millions.
But it's a cornerstone EU policy, hence the EU are a large part of the problem and it's therefore pointless looking to the EU for solutions.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 9, 2023 13:28:48 GMT
They still have bodies like Europol, Frontex, and there are ANPR cameras. It is possible to discuss things with them, even if they are crap. Discussion is better than doing nothing.
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 10, 2023 14:45:56 GMT
I think the problem with ‘migrants’ in this connection is the illegal ones who make it here and have no way to make money except through those willing to criminally operate in spite of supposed fines of deterrent value
That they clearly are not a deterrent is shown bybtge repeat iffenfers dragged up and fined for employing illegals
Often round here the ‘employment’ is illegal anyway. We has a load of vietnamese running a cannabis factory fir example.
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 10, 2023 17:50:03 GMT
No one says refugees welcome and no borders.
Unless you are Ukrainian or from Hong Kong. Then you get to be paid to welcome refugees into your own home!! WHEEEE!
Every country has border restrictions...visa requirements with time requirements.
Very careless comment. Isnt reality exciting enough for you
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Post by Vinny on Aug 10, 2023 19:02:40 GMT
I think the problem with ‘migrants’ in this connection is the illegal ones who make it here and have no way to make money except through those willing to criminally operate in spite of supposed fines of deterrent value That they clearly are not a deterrent is shown bybtge repeat iffenfers dragged up and fined for employing illegals Often round here the ‘employment’ is illegal anyway. We has a load of vietnamese running a cannabis factory fir example. Agreed. Free movement just makes it easier for them to go from place to place and keep their "business" going.
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 10, 2023 19:50:42 GMT
No one says refugees welcome and no borders. Unless you are Ukrainian or from Hong Kong. Then you get to be paid to welcome refugees into your own home!! WHEEEE! Every country has border restrictions...visa requirements with time requirements. Very careless comment. Isnt reality exciting enough for you the welsh first wanker does
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 10, 2023 20:35:24 GMT
No one says refugees welcome and no borders. Unless you are Ukrainian or from Hong Kong. Then you get to be paid to welcome refugees into your own home!! WHEEEE! Every country has border restrictions...visa requirements with time requirements. Very careless comment. Isnt reality exciting enough for you You claim every country has border restrictions, therefor I assume you accept that EU states are not independent and sovereign countries? Snapshot of deluded outraged lefties.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 10, 2023 22:57:13 GMT
Well said
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 11, 2023 7:15:15 GMT
No one says refugees welcome and no borders. Unless you are Ukrainian or from Hong Kong. Then you get to be paid to welcome refugees into your own home!! WHEEEE! Every country has border restrictions...visa requirements with time requirements. Very careless comment. Isnt reality exciting enough for you You claim every country has border restrictions, therefor I assume you accept that EU states are not independent and sovereign countries? Snapshot of deluded outraged lefties. I said every country has border restrictions. Therefore they ARE sovereign. Get it together, numpty. The FOM in the EU is the same principle as travelling across state lines in the USA. Do you suggest each state, which in the constitition has considerable soveteignty, close all 50 borders and that will stop illegal activity? Not on this planet
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2023 9:11:28 GMT
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 11, 2023 9:18:53 GMT
Such people exist. And due to care in the community, they're on the streets. This photo is from the US, it was a protest against trump's travel ban.
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Post by sheepy on Aug 11, 2023 9:27:01 GMT
Such people exist. And due to care in the community, they're on the streets. This photo is from the US, it was a protest against trump's travel ban. Figures.
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Post by Vinny on Aug 11, 2023 9:48:02 GMT
Such people exist. And due to care in the community, they're on the streets. This photo is from the US, it was a protest against trump's travel ban. Similar people exist here.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 11, 2023 13:05:21 GMT
I said every country has border restrictions. Therefore they ARE sovereign. Get it together, numpty. The FOM in the EU is the same principle as travelling across state lines in the USA. Do you suggest each state, which in the constitition has considerable soveteignty, close all 50 borders and that will stop illegal activity? Not on this planet So we agree, EU states are not sovereign independent countries, they are borderless EU states governed by an unelected cabal of bureaucrats from behind closed doors in Brussels. Having said that, I assume you are aware of the primacy of EU law? For your benefit - Quote: The principle of the primacy (also referred to as 'precedence' or 'supremacy') of European Union (EU) law. Where a conflict arises between an aspect of EU law and an aspect of law in an EU Member State (national law), EU law will prevail. link
Sovereign and independent countries cannot have their laws overruled, however EU states can and do have their laws overruled because EU law is superior to national laws and EU states cede sovereignty to the EU. Here to help. Numpty lol. Aww bless.
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