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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 8, 2023 19:10:16 GMT
An insurance job? Don’t see it myself - insurers are not stupid and know the risks of a derelict isolated property from the local yobs even assuming the owners are clean. Hard to see insurance being placed without very strict conditions which presumably weren’t complied with. Pay out feels unlikely. Maybe for the value of cleared land - but quick Look on Google maps suggests it’s in the middle of nowhere right next door to some sort of mine/power station. Hardly prime building land at first glance. Authorities will know who the owners are and from there whether they feel suspicious. Perhaps there is some other explanation there or just vandals? Maybe you're naturally naive, I don't know. Marstons sold the pub because like many pubs these days it wasn't making money. The new buyer couldn't alter or demolish it because it's listed. So there's a mystery fire. According to locals the fire was immediately intense and apparently the entrance to the car park was blocked by a load of rubble or dirt of some description that mysteriously appeared on the same night as the fire which successfully stopped fire appliances getting in. Coincidence? Torching loss making businesses is nothing new. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 19:36:30 GMT
An insurance job? Don’t see it myself - insurers are not stupid and know the risks of a derelict isolated property from the local yobs even assuming the owners are clean. Hard to see insurance being placed without very strict conditions which presumably weren’t complied with. Pay out feels unlikely. Maybe for the value of cleared land - but quick Look on Google maps suggests it’s in the middle of nowhere right next door to some sort of mine/power station. Hardly prime building land at first glance. Authorities will know who the owners are and from there whether they feel suspicious. Perhaps there is some other explanation there or just vandals? Are you an insurance expert on properties you know nothing about, dappy? If you don't know the area you are making stabs in the dark. I do know the area. Had a house quite close as the crow flies and the chief concern buying property there is the mining. There is a coal mining checker online and the pub was on a mine entrance. That area is unstable, so it would be great if Staffs Council refuse planning permission based on unsuitable ground conditions. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 8, 2023 20:17:00 GMT
An insurance job? Don’t see it myself - insurers are not stupid and know the risks of a derelict isolated property from the local yobs even assuming the owners are clean. Hard to see insurance being placed without very strict conditions which presumably weren’t complied with. Pay out feels unlikely. Maybe for the value of cleared land - but quick Look on Google maps suggests it’s in the middle of nowhere right next door to some sort of mine/power station. Hardly prime building land at first glance. Authorities will know who the owners are and from there whether they feel suspicious. Perhaps there is some other explanation there or just vandals? Are you an insurance expert on properties you know nothing about, Zany? If you don't know the area you are making stabs in the dark. I do know the area. Had a house quite close as the crow flies and the chief concern buying property there is the mining. There is a coal mining checker online and the pub was on a mine entrance. That area is unstable, so it would be great if Staffs Council refuse planning permission based on unsuitable ground conditions. I think you mean Dappy |
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Post by dappy on Aug 8, 2023 20:21:44 GMT
There are indeed odd things in this case.
The earth barrier could be suspicious or could be innocent. Perhaps they were just putting up barriers to stop the public accessing their property. Did they do some work on the property and leave some equipment on by mistake which then overheated?
Perhaps odder is the speed with which the property was demolished apparently against advice. Hiding something?
For an “insurance job” you need two things -
1) a bent owner - possible
2) an insurance company willing to pay out.
I do know quite a lot about commercial insurance through work.
Who is the insurance company who would happily take on the risk of a derelict building in the middle of nowhere - highly vulnerable to arson from local yobs leaving out your theory of arson by owners. If you were the insurance company would you take on this risk? Surprise surprise nor in my experience would they. Without an insurance company on risk you can’t have an insurance job.
Then you have to think about what the owners have to gain from cleared land. On the face of it it’s land in the middle of nowhere right next to an apparently working mine on unstable land. What would they do with it?
All very odd. Perhaps the truth will emerge eventually.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 8, 2023 20:21:52 GMT
Are you an insurance expert on properties you know nothing about, Zany? If you don't know the area you are making stabs in the dark. I do know the area. Had a house quite close as the crow flies and the chief concern buying property there is the mining. There is a coal mining checker online and the pub was on a mine entrance. That area is unstable, so it would be great if Staffs Council refuse planning permission based on unsuitable ground conditions. I think you mean Dappy Well spotted, lol. Come on Ned get a grip there's a good chap. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 21:10:29 GMT
Are you an insurance expert on properties you know nothing about, Zany? If you don't know the area you are making stabs in the dark. I do know the area. Had a house quite close as the crow flies and the chief concern buying property there is the mining. There is a coal mining checker online and the pub was on a mine entrance. That area is unstable, so it would be great if Staffs Council refuse planning permission based on unsuitable ground conditions. I think you mean Dappy Apologies, Zany. Edited. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 9, 2023 2:07:52 GMT
An insurance job? Don’t see it myself - insurers are not stupid and know the risks of a derelict isolated property from the local yobs even assuming the owners are clean. Hard to see insurance being placed without very strict conditions which presumably weren’t complied with. Pay out feels unlikely. Maybe for the value of cleared land - but quick Look on Google maps suggests it’s in the middle of nowhere right next door to some sort of mine/power station. Hardly prime building land at first glance. Authorities will know who the owners are and from there whether they feel suspicious. Perhaps there is some other explanation there or just vandals? i know of three such examples within ten miles of here each now a housing estate. Property developers tend to take the long view with banked land … |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 10, 2023 5:36:59 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 6:17:48 GMT
Police are treating it as arson
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Post by wapentake on Aug 10, 2023 6:41:51 GMT
An insurance job? Don’t see it myself - insurers are not stupid and know the risks of a derelict isolated property from the local yobs even assuming the owners are clean. Hard to see insurance being placed without very strict conditions which presumably weren’t complied with. Pay out feels unlikely. Maybe for the value of cleared land - but quick Look on Google maps suggests it’s in the middle of nowhere right next door to some sort of mine/power station. Hardly prime building land at first glance. Authorities will know who the owners are and from there whether they feel suspicious. Perhaps there is some other explanation there or just vandals? And the police are treating it as arson and there are questions why there were mounds of earth on the access road which hampered the fire service. I can see vandals torching a place but the earth mounds and the immediate demolition looks iffy. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 6:52:50 GMT
An insurance job? Don’t see it myself - insurers are not stupid and know the risks of a derelict isolated property from the local yobs even assuming the owners are clean. Hard to see insurance being placed without very strict conditions which presumably weren’t complied with. Pay out feels unlikely. Maybe for the value of cleared land - but quick Look on Google maps suggests it’s in the middle of nowhere right next door to some sort of mine/power station. Hardly prime building land at first glance. Authorities will know who the owners are and from there whether they feel suspicious. Perhaps there is some other explanation there or just vandals? And the police are treating it as arson and there are questions why there were mounds of earth on the access road which hampered the fire service. I can see vandals torching a place but the earth mounds and the immediate demolition looks iffy. I predict the police will find proof of arson but not who carried it out. Then nothing will happen. |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 10, 2023 7:00:53 GMT
And the police are treating it as arson and there are questions why there were mounds of earth on the access road which hampered the fire service. I can see vandals torching a place but the earth mounds and the immediate demolition looks iffy. I predict the police will find proof of arson but not who carried it out. Then nothing will happen. Maybe but the council? |
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Post by dappy on Aug 10, 2023 7:03:52 GMT
The story here is starting to emerge. The building was sold to a company owned by a woman. But she is just the fake tit social climber bimbo wife of a local millionaire. He has been in dispute with the former owners of the building over access rights through the lane to his neighbouring tip. That issue now looks likely to have “gone away”. Feels like the value of the land and the lane were worth more as a tip than as a building. Honestly unlikely that he would become that rich just owning a tip so likely he has fingers in some other - likely dubious - pies that benefit for remote bits of land.
Would any insurer take on the risk of a derelict building with no security in a remote location owned by such a character? Highly unlikely - so more likely to be a land play than a insurance play.
Will it ever get rebuilt or proof be found of who torched it - very unlikely.
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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 7:07:20 GMT
I predict the police will find proof of arson but not who carried it out. Then nothing will happen. Maybe but the council? Oh, that's good. Lets hope they prevent any future planning applications and impose a huge fine. Though I'm not hopeful. |
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Post by zanygame on Aug 10, 2023 7:09:31 GMT
The story here is starting to emerge. The building was sold to a company owned by a woman. But she is just the fake tit social climber bimbo wife of a local millionaire. He has been in dispute with the former owners of the building over access rights through the lane to his neighbouring tip. That issue now looks likely to have “gone away”. Feels like the value of the land and the lane were worth more as a tip than as a building. Honestly unlikely that he would become that rich just owning a tip so likely he has fingers in some other - likely dubious - pies that benefit for remote bits of land. Would any insurer take on the risk of a derelict building with no security in a remote location owned by such a character? Highly unlikely - so more likely to be a land play than a insurance play. Will it ever get rebuilt or proof be found of who torched it - very unlikely. Dids? |
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